All: 

I've been to fires in the chutes you're describing. I haven't been to the fire 
in originating in the elevator shaft. What is others experiences? 

Bruce Verhei 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Holsopple (forum)" <[email protected]> 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:54:54 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: RE: IBC and NFPA 13R - Linen/Trash Chutes 

Ron, 

Thanks again for the response. I have resigned myself that this is the way 
it is. And that is that. Still doesn't make sense that a linen chute and an 
elevator shaft do not pose the same threat. I understand what was said about 
the chimney effect, but keep in mind (in these cases), there will be 
sprinklers in the trash "closets" and in the termination room. I also 
understand that there is more of a threat if the trash collects or gets hung 
up in the shaft, but that is a big IF. If the walls are rated and the doors 
self closing (Chapter 7 IBC) I don't see a greater threat. Unsprinklered 
attics? 

I know, I know....common sense....codes....keep separate.... 

Anyway....did you know that the Maytag and Kenmore model wringer washers had 
interchangeable parts. My dad kept plenty on hand much to my mother's 
dismay. (Ok maybe Dad modified the parts a little / I am sure they were 
still UL listed though) She was using a wringer washer well past the Year 
2000. I haven't figured out if she laid down the law or Dad ran out of parts 
and excuses. I did have the pleasure of using it while my mom was pregnant 
with my younger brother and I can tell you first hand that those wringers 
hurt the fingers. :) 

Have a good night. 

Ken 



Ken, 

Good point there about the decks but I think the logic still holds if 
you remove that bit of distraction from my argument. Let me try again. 
Since 13 addresses chutes to re-iterate it in IBC and then direct you 
to 13, 13R or 13D depending on type of occupancy would then be 
redundant if the IBC chute rule were to only apply to 13. Bottom line 
for me is that I'm reading this to mean any trash chute in any 
building. Around these parts we also see self-closing fire doors (for 
lack of a better term) at the bottom of these chutes so a dumpster 
fire will fuse a link releasing the "door" and sealing the dumpster 
from the shaft. These things make really nice chimneys that vent to 
each floor of a building. 



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