All: I've been to fires in the chutes you're describing. I haven't been to the fire in originating in the elevator shaft. What is others experiences?
Bruce Verhei ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Holsopple (forum)" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:54:54 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: RE: IBC and NFPA 13R - Linen/Trash Chutes Ron, Thanks again for the response. I have resigned myself that this is the way it is. And that is that. Still doesn't make sense that a linen chute and an elevator shaft do not pose the same threat. I understand what was said about the chimney effect, but keep in mind (in these cases), there will be sprinklers in the trash "closets" and in the termination room. I also understand that there is more of a threat if the trash collects or gets hung up in the shaft, but that is a big IF. If the walls are rated and the doors self closing (Chapter 7 IBC) I don't see a greater threat. Unsprinklered attics? I know, I know....common sense....codes....keep separate.... Anyway....did you know that the Maytag and Kenmore model wringer washers had interchangeable parts. My dad kept plenty on hand much to my mother's dismay. (Ok maybe Dad modified the parts a little / I am sure they were still UL listed though) She was using a wringer washer well past the Year 2000. I haven't figured out if she laid down the law or Dad ran out of parts and excuses. I did have the pleasure of using it while my mom was pregnant with my younger brother and I can tell you first hand that those wringers hurt the fingers. :) Have a good night. Ken Ken, Good point there about the decks but I think the logic still holds if you remove that bit of distraction from my argument. Let me try again. Since 13 addresses chutes to re-iterate it in IBC and then direct you to 13, 13R or 13D depending on type of occupancy would then be redundant if the IBC chute rule were to only apply to 13. Bottom line for me is that I'm reading this to mean any trash chute in any building. Around these parts we also see self-closing fire doors (for lack of a better term) at the bottom of these chutes so a dumpster fire will fuse a link releasing the "door" and sealing the dumpster from the shaft. These things make really nice chimneys that vent to each floor of a building. _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
