Yep and many times it's due to a leaky system where the compressor runs a
lot.  Put a 40 psi test on the system to see how tight it is.  That will
confirm whether this is new water or from the past trip.  

I've also see a cycle where the DD wasn't drained in fall and they have a
freeze up in a DD.  Then a couple week later another.  What's happening
there is the first trip adds water and some of it freezes to the inside of
the pipe.  Then a few weeks later with weather changes it melts and collects
in the DD only to freeze during the next cold snap and so the cycle starts
again. 

Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
 
Email: [email protected]
 
Mail: P.O. Box 69
        Waverly, MN 55390
 
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
              Waverly, MN 55390

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark Sornsin
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:59 PM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: Excessive Condensate

I have a client with a parking garage.  Large enough for two dry-pipe
systems.  Each are piped relatively flat (pitched per NFPA 13, but no more);
each on a big loop of 4 in main with side feed branch lines out the side of
the mains.

This system was last flooded last summer (say August).  Since that trip test
and subsequent draining, the client  has blown out all 6 low point drum
drips twice a month, every month. But even still, over Christmas, and only
two weeks after blowing out the drum drips, they froze 4 of the 6 drum drips
to the point of breakage - 3 of the 6 were filled with ice throughout the 2
in. x 12 in. drum, and up the 5 or 6 ft. of 1 inch pipe.

The contractor that replaced the drum drips noted that there was no
appreciable water on top of the dry valves, so the water in the pipes
appears to be entirely from condensate.  Or maybe, somehow, residual from
the trip testing 5 months ago (???).

Has anyone of you seen this amount of condensate coming from a dry system?
The air compressors are floor mounted with no tank. The riser room is
somewhat damp (large sump pit located here, too) and maintained at about 55
degrees.  But I still have a hard time imagining how that much water could
come from condensate.

Any thoughts?


Mark A. Sornsin, PE
Fire Protection Engineer
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
Fargo, ND
Direct:    701. 280.8591

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