I think this is another one of those education moments with an owner. Manufacturers recommend X and insurance companies Recommend X based on experience. You, Mr. Owner, want to ignore these recommendations based on? The other guy is willing to risk your building? How good is his insurance policy? Now what do you want to do? There's never a good reason to deviate from good practice just to accommodate an owner's wants. You're the professional giving professional advice (presuming you know what you're talking about) and he's the one that needs to base HIS decision either on HIS whim, HIS sense of expediency, how much it will cost HIM, HIS trust of the other guy who's giving him different information, HIS risk aversion quotient, or YOUR professional advice.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:17 PM, George Church <[email protected]> wrote: > We've held to the 24 hrs since we had Relmark insuring us years ago. > If they don't want to, they can sign a release of damage and we'll turn it > on 5 minutes after we glue it together (ok, an hour). > > I think you need about 3 weeks to cure 1" joints in our current weather. > > There are many of us doing this, so Chris, stick with it because it's not > if, it's when. And it'll be WHEN YOU DO THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME it will blow > up in your face despite doing it all right. > > Ask your customer how much effort they'd like you to make in not flooding > the place. Your risk management is also THEIR risk management, by looking > out for you, you're looking out for them. Question the sanity of the > competitor, or point out that they may do it, but you have more respect for > their building than to risk flooding it. > > Relmark and the others can give more horror stories and 7-figure losses from > not abiding by it, mention Wouldn't you rather employ a contractor that > doesn't threaten your building and is smart enough to learn from the > mistakes of others rather than repeating them- in your building? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew J. > Willis > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Cure times > > 24 hours are required by some of the insurance companies. It is a helpful > way to mitigate water damage. We observe them. Owner must provide fire > watch.., as required by 101. > > When you look in whichever flavor of CPVC manual you have, be aware of the > temps this time of year. If I am remembering correctly, there is a temp and > size that you are not allowed to glue at all until the temp in the room is > at that level. > > R/ > Matt > > > Matthew J. Willis, CET > Automatic Fire Sprinklers > Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. > 318-387-1134 Voice > 318-387-1163 Facsimile > [email protected] > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Forest Wilson > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Cure times > > I have never done the 24 hour. However, after reading this email I am going > to incorporate it into our Standard Operating Procedure and specify in > bidding and contract docs that the owner is responsible for impairment > procedures. > > Well, maybe I'm jumping the gun. First I will look into Blazemaster > specifications and instructions. If they are the same as Spears, then that's > what I'm going to do. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Duross > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:45 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Cure times > > Afternoon Campers. > > Just got the Relmark email and was reviewing the pertinent info. > Wondering how you all are handling the 24 hr. cure times on CPVC cut-ins? > I know here in the big city, we need a detail over 8 hours for occupied > property. > > TD > (38 days to pitchers and catchers..) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Bates Technical College Tacoma, WA Member: SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA AFAA, WSAFM _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
