That was excellent feedback.  Thank you very much.

It sounds like a 1" tap with a 3/4" meter is ideal for brand new
construction where the utility will be expanding their mains and
guaranteeing good pressure.  For retrofits, sloped ceilings, and other
tricky situations - it depends.

Thanks guys,


Steve Kowkabany, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Neptune Fire Protection Engineering LLC
60 Ocean Boulevard, Suite 15
Atlantic Beach, FL 32233
904-652-4200 Phone
904-212-0868 Fax 


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of G. Tim Stone
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:15 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Size of Residential Water Taps, Fees, Meters, and Backflow
Preventers

Steve,
Construction details for the house may determine water line size also.
Homes with steeply pitched ceilings may require the designer to include
extra heads in the design area. Residential heads are not listed for
ceilings with pitches greater than 8 in 12. I believe a 2" water line into
the structure would be the safer bet no matter what the design of the house
is.

G. Tim Stone


NICET Level III Engineering Technician
Fire Protection Sprinkler Design
and Consulting Services

117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452
TEL: (802) 434-2968          Fax: (802) 434-4343
                [email protected]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum-
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Kowkabany
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 8:54 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Size of Residentail Water Taps, Fees, Meters, and Backflow
> Preventers
> 
> The fire department and local water utility of Jacksonville are
> currently
> working together to figure out what will be required for the new
> residential
> sprinkler requirement.  I've been invited to participate and they are
> looking to me to provide some guidance on what will be required for
> each new
> single family home in terms of water hookups to accommodate a new 13D
> system.
> 
> 
> 
> Somehow, the water department got the idea that they will need 2" taps
> for
> each house.  I know that is way too big, but I am curious - what have
> you
> been seeing for line sizes for single family homes?  Also, has it
> typically
> been a single line or two separate taps.  I would think that a 1"
> service
> would suffice for a two head calc and max flow of 30 gpm or so with
> average
> water supplies.  It's pretty flat here and this utility is fairly
> consistent
> with water supplies that test at 60/50 at 1,000 gpm or so.  I'm also
> curious
> about any special meter requirements, backflow requirements, or tap
> fees
> that your area is implementing.
> 
> 
> 
> Any feedback would be great appreciated and helpful for us in setting
> the
> course for what will hopefully be the beginning a new era in Florida
> where
> each new house is sprinklered.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Steve Kowkabany, P.E.
> 
> Fire Protection Engineer
> 
> Neptune Fire Protection Engineering LLC
> 
> 60 Ocean Boulevard, Suite 15
> 
> Atlantic Beach, FL 32233
> 
> 904-652-4200 Phone
> 
> 904-212-0868 Fax
> 
> 
> 
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