Absolutely, if some like NC DOI and some insurance companies are changing what we all know that offices are LH to an OH then yes I think they need tests or experience to show. Remember NC DOI is your tax dollars at work. They more than anyone need to justify before they spend your/our money.
You'll note the def's use subjective terms like light, low, moderate. Until they are quantified, which I don't see happening for a long time if ever, we'll have these conversations because 1 person thinks they are smarter than the masses. Maybe they are, I just say show me. Many of Einstein's theories have been shown and I'm pretty sure that's more complex and fire sprinklers, lol. Arguably many OHI occupancies have fewer combustibles than a typical office. So by their own logic we can start designing beverage mfg and canneries as LH? Granted the gov't is only in the car business right now, but in our march to socialism perhaps they will be in the canning business some day. When they offer suspect reasoning based on opinion that is contradicted by the standard and real experience then I have a bone to pick. Chris Cahill, P.E. Fire Protection Engineer Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. 763-658-4483 763-658-4921 fax Email: [email protected] Mail: P.O. Box 69 Waverly, MN 55390 Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW Waverly, MN 55390 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew J. Willis Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 1:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Department of Insurance Do we really need tests? Will the actual, existing definitions of light/ordinary not suffice? Stockpiles of combustible, heat release of fire..., etc. R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis, CET Automatic Fire Sprinklers Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. 318-387-1134 Voice 318-816-1087 Mobile 318-387-1163 Facsimile [email protected] > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum- > >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill > >Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 1:28 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: Department of Insurance > > > >While the reasoning MIGHT be true has anyone shown data through fire > >tests > >or actual fires that the reasoning IS true? > > > >Chris Cahill, P.E. > >Fire Protection Engineer > >Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. > > > >763-658-4483 > >763-658-4921 fax > > > >Email: [email protected] > > > >Mail: P.O. Box 69 > > Waverly, MN 55390 > > > >Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW > > Waverly, MN 55390 > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >[email protected] > >Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 1:23 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: Department of Insurance > > > >As it was explained to me; They recognize that typically these > >environments > >are LH by NFPA Standards and are required to have QR heads however it is > >also recognized that typical office environments contain far greater fuel > >loading than what was originally used when the standard was conceived > >which > >included steel desks, typewriters, open areas or walled offices, not > >computers, tons of paper, plastics on every desk, plastic or composite > >desks, combustible or limited combustible walled cube farms (which in > >some > >cases can impede egress), copier toners, etc. > > > >I have dealt with Insurance Underwriters who follow the same train of > >thought. There was no allowance for EC spacing in some cases. > > > >Craig L. Prahl, CET > >Fire Protection Specialist > >Mechanical Department > >CH2MHILL > >Lockwood Greene > >1500 International Drive > >Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > >Direct - 864.599.4102 > >Fax - 864.599.8439 > >[email protected] > >http://www.ch2m.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian > >Harris > >Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:08 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Department of Insurance > > > > > >I'm sure this varies from state to state but here in NC it's not uncommon > >for state owned buildings to include the DOI spec in the contract spec's. > >If > >anyone's familiar with this particular version of it I have a quick > >question: Ordinary Hazard group-1 is the minimum design allowed but they > >do > >give a couple exceptions. One is that QR & QREC heads listed for light > >hazard are permitted as long as OH-1 density is still achieved. 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