So you've got Approved "Sammy's" and Fig 141 or 141F PHD hangers and 3/8"
allthread rod, and FM and U/L test reports for all of them except maybe the
rod, what did the spec. call for? Meet the spec. or send in a C.O. to
"Engineer" "Calculate" "Test" or create an alternative to the EOR
requirements and NFPA.

Sounds like a Career! Or at least a lot of money, even if he will give you
test criteria. (I doubt he even knows what he wants.) He'll say something
like Meet NFPA section xx.x.x.x, Then you have to tell him that because the
components comply with NFPA U/L and FM section xx.x.x.x doesn't apply.

If it's the wood structure he's worried about refer him to the Structural
ERO. If like in some places the Arch. Is allowed to do wood structural and
he's the one confused, tell him he needs to hire a real structural P.E. or
you'll think he's working "outside his area of expertise." (A position the
Arch Board for the state frowns upon.)

A lot of Arch. Just keep the Eng. Fee for the Structural, if they can get
the contractor to do it for free, especially on existing structures.

The full listing generally has a installation description of the way the
product was tested, the material it was anchored to and the spec. of that
material. Should be enough to get you off the hook.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 5:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Hanger capacity

Sammys are approved, but not specifically detailed in NFPA 13, which 
is this guy's problem.



At 07:12 PM 6/21/2010, you wrote:
>Why are we even talking about "Non-Listed" hanger parts? He said he was
>using Sammy brand wood fasteners. They are listed!
>See FM guide 1-544 and it gives a whole list of approvals for all kinds of
>"Sammy" brand fasteners.(Specifically GST20 and GST30) They also have a U/L
>listing. If you only want a U/L listing there are even more options from
>Sammy.
>

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