size does matter, as a later poster noted; but the requirements we're trying
to satisfy are different. 
We calc the flow and pressure for the MOST DEMANDING AREA. 
But the longest transit time is what we're proving with the ITC location.

Say you have an area with 60' wide BB Attic heads, then the building
skinnies down to a 12' wide rear addition that goes back 50', say 100',
possibly taller than the MRA, but subdivided into 12' x 12' rooms, protected
by a row of 1/2" SSU. So the MRA for hydraulic calcs would be 15 GPM at 7
PSI at the end head. Not the most hydraulically demanding, but certainly
longest travel time-since the ATTIC BB's are on the way to the rear
addition.

If you have a cut-up building with multiple candidates for an ITC, you could
use the water delivery software to model the various options and see which
IS most demanding. I can't recall the last time an ITC location was
questioned, but that would enable you to provide DATA to support your view
(or installation, depending on WHEN the issue is raised). Don't put me down
for pushing for this, I think a mountain might be forming under a mole-
seriously, how often has this issue cropped up in over a decade of Forum
posts? How many buildings are burning down due to improperly tested dry
systems cause the ITC wasn't in the absolute furthest point- let's face it,
an exterior wall is a nice place for an ITC. More likely we lose buildings
protected by dry systems cause the accelerator is OFF or otherwise not
working. If there is a hidden beauty to investing in an electronic
accelerator, its that it's likely to work more than once, and still be on
when your guys get back to the shop.

There are larger variables to deal with in dry system trip testing, like is
it when water spits out or a sustained flow or a specified flow and pressure
equal to the end head pressure for a head in the MRA? And i know of folks
who sure take a L O N G time to open the ITC valve- and click the stopwatch
when its fully open.

glc

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew J.
Willis
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 2:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: dry inspectors test "distance"

Todd,
I believe it is linear feet. The "most distant" point for water to travel
(the most time), nothing to do with demand. Size would not matter.

R/
Matt

  

Matthew J. Willis, CET
Automatic Fire Sprinklers
Norred Fire Systems L.L.C.
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> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [email protected] 
> >[mailto:sprinklerforum- [email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd 
> >Williams
> >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 12:59 PM
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: dry inspectors test "distance"
> >
> >NFPA 13 (2007) section 8.17.4.3.2: "The trip test connection shall be 
> >located on the end of the most distant sprinkler pipe..." How is 
> >"distant" calculated? I assume this means it is independent of 
> >hydraulic remote areas? Does pipe diameter play into this at all? I 
> >am working on an attic system with Tyco Attic BB and AP sprinklers 
> >and the physically distant is very different than the hydraulically 
> >remote area.
> >
> >
> >
> >Todd G. Williams, PE
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