Just my thoughts: 1) Your "Atrium" is too large to be a ceiling pocket 32SF
or less as allowed in the Reduced area for QR. 2) You don't say the ceiling
is sloped, not that it would matter if it when up to 23' because that also
exceeds what is allowed to be used when applying the reduction. 3) Unless
these areas are separated somehow or not located within the same
compartment, In which case by using multiple design areas to allow the
reduced area for QR where the "Atrium" is not located, my opinion is you
can't use the Area reduction for QR in this situation.

Except: (4) There are no unprotected ceiling pockets as allowed by
8.6.7 and 8.8.7 exceeding 32 ft2 (3 m2)

So if you change the name of your "Atrium" to "Ceiling pocket" and protect
it, is the new layout (Symantec's) allowed to use the QR/Area reduction?

8.6.7 Ceiling Pockets.
8.6.7.1 Sprinklers shall be required in all ceiling pockets.
8.6.7.2 The requirements of 8.6.7.1 shall not apply where all
of the following are met:
(1) The total volume of the unprotected ceiling pocket does
not exceed 1000 ft3 (28.3 m3).
(2) The depth of the unprotected pocket does not exceed
36 in. (914 mm).
(3) The entire floor under the unprotected ceiling pocket is
protected by the sprinklers at the lower ceiling elevation.
(4) Each unprotected ceiling pocket is separated from any
adjacent unprotected ceiling pocket by a minimum 10 ft
(3.05 m) horizontal distance.
(5) The unprotected ceiling pocket is constructed of noncombustible
or limited combustible construction.
(6) Skylights not exceeding 32 ft2 (3m2) shall be permitted to
have a plastic cover.
(7) Quick response sprinklers are utilized throughout the
compartment.

So if as Roland say's "Word have meanings" and we can only know what the
word's say, not what the author "Intended".  Well, it sounds like you place
sprinklers in the "Atrium", change its name to "Ceiling Pocket", and use the
area reduction.

It is Friday right?



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: QR design area reduction

Good question. Don't have an answer but I do have an opinion, but like
all opinions….

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ed Kramer <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've got a light hazard dining area with a 10'-6" ceiling which meets all
> the criteria for reducing the design area down to 912 sf.  Well, almost
all
> the criteria.  There is one small 'atrium' with a 23' ceiling height.  The
> 'atrium' is only 6' x 11' and is protected by 1 sprinkler.
>
>
>
> Am I allowed to reduce the design area based on the 10'-6" ceiling height,
> or must I calculate a full 1,500 sf?   Or more generically, how small must
> an area of higher ceiling be in order to ignore it when applying section
> 11.2.3.2.3?
>
>
>
> Opinions?
>
>
>
> Ed Kramer
>
> Littleton, CO
>
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