We had a job once where the GC, because of lack of hydrants, suggested
putting a guage on the hosebib and flushing a couple of toilets to get a
residual pressure, LOL! No, we didn't do it that way but it was pretty
funny.


On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:10 AM, George Church <[email protected]> wrote:

> Might you need to crack another hose bib to open the domestic BFP?
> Otherwise you're reading the pressure trapped in the house past the
> check/bfp and you'll have a great, flat strong (inaccurate) curve.
>
> :) One of my favorite moments was conducting a verifying flow test at the
> Centre Daily Times with a fresh new FM engineer, 1985+/-.
> I watched him remove the new CSC gauge on our new ALV and install the FM
> test gauge.
> He stepped back and looked at it when he was done, then started to go
> outside to flow a hydrant.
> I stayed where I was, he looked back, and I pointed and asked
> "won't we get more pressure drop if we put your gauge BELOW the clapper?"
> We all have to start somewhere....might have been more fun to see if he
> noticed the flat curve and troubleshot it himself, but didn't have the time.
>
>
> George Church
> Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
> PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
> 877-324-ROWE       570-837-6335 fax
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:54 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Flow Test
>
> I have actually yet to find a situation where there is not some other
> source the take a pressure reading. I have used a silcock connection on the
> side of a house before. I'd trust that more then a single hydrant test
>
>
> At 10:34 AM 4/6/2011, you wrote:
> >When we're in a pinch, we will use a one-hydrant test.  We'll put a Hose
> Monster on the end of a 10 ft. hose attached to the hydrant. Take our static
> pressure with the hose disconnected. Then attach the hose, flow it and get
> our pitot off the Hose Monster, and the residual from the other ear of the
> hydrant. Then we disconnect the hose and take another static reading just to
> be certain. This method produces somewhat conservative results, depending on
> how much flow you have.  The more flow, the more losses are being deducted
> in the residual reading due to friction in the hydrant barrel.
> >
> >Again, not ideal, but we often face non-ideal situations.  I'd take these
> results over a computer model simulation of the flow.
> >
> >Mark A. Sornsin, PE| Fire Protection Engineer Ulteig Engineers, Inc.|
> >Fargo, ND [email protected]
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [email protected]
> >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad
> >Casterline
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:18 AM
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: RE: Flow Test
> >
> >I just want to add to Mike's and Lamar's posts (for the Sprink seriously
> in need of getting a life)- look at FIGURE A.8.16.2.4 Unacceptable Pressure
> Gauge Location. I belive this is similar to a single hydrant flow test. Like
> Lamar said, it is slightly less than two hydrant flow. The reason is that
> more of the potential goes into kinetic energy, because the velociity where
> the gage is NORMAL is higher.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Brian Harris [mailto:[email protected]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:50 AM
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Flow Test
> >
> >I swear I once read that a single hydrant flow test was acceptable, maybe
> in limited instances, but I can't seem to find anything on it. Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> >Brian Harris
> >
> >First Defense Fire Protection
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
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