I heard the collapse story as well. However, I have yet to figure out how a +20 
psi pressure can cause a pipe to implode with a normal depth of bury soil 
pressure. My guess is that is actually a safety factor to prevent main pressure 
from creating a vacuum and causing back siphoning. 


At 10:16 AM 8/24/2011, you wrote:
>During a sprinkler design class we were told by the instructor that the 20psi 
>comes from the health department and anything less than 20psi in the mains 
>will require citizens to boil the water to remove containments in the water. 
>Previously I had always heard anything less than 20psi could potentially 
>collapse water lines.
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] 
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David de Vries
>Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:11 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Minimum pressures in water supply; Why 20 psi?
>
>Does anyone know where the 20 psi minimum for undergound piping originated?  I 
>have seen it in some state water regs, but have never been satisfied that it 
>is a sound, scientifically-based number.
>
>I have also seen fire dept SOP's set an alert on suction pressure at the 
>pumper to 5 psi.  Depending on the hose lay, that might equate to 20 (or 10) 
>psi in the main.
>
>Dave 
>
>David A. de Vries, P.E., CSP 
>Firetech Engineering Incorporated 
>
>
>--- On Wed, 8/24/11, Letterman, Todd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>From: Letterman, Todd <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: Minimum pressures in water supply
>To: [email protected]
>Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 8:27 AM
>
>
>I agree with all who have responded and I'm not sure if there is hydrant
>at the entrance to this place or along the street that could rob your
>suction pressure. If there is a hydrant coming into the property, then
>they are most likely going to start there hose lay at that point, which
>may rob all the theoretical values so far. You are not going to have
>much suction pressure at a 100%. If a fire takes it to that demand but
>there is really nothing stating that you cant go lower than 20 unless
>the water authority or other entity states other wise. It was never
>stated if it is going to be a Electric or Diesel Driver or have you
>gotten that far yet?     
>
>Todd Letterman
>Fire Prevention Engineer CFPS
>Riverside County Fire Department   "Fire never sleeps"
>(951) 955-5273 FAX (951) 955-4886
>[email protected]
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd
>Williams
>Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:21 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Minimum pressures in water supply
>
>I am working on a new school project, where the building is 65 ft above
>the water supply in the road and 760 ft horizontally. The water supply
>is 54-46-1130. There is a pump planned, which I have to size. The total
>pressure loss in the underground between the supply and the pump house
>is approximately 30 psi. I know the general consensus (and some water
>company requirements) is that the water pressure not be drawn down below
>20 psi.  A 500 gpm at 60 psi pump would be a good fit for this project,
>but the suction pressures at the pump would end up being below 20 psi.
>The supply in the public mains would remain above 20 (due to the
>elevation), but would be below that in the private main at the pump
>room. Any thought if this would be acceptable?
>
>Todd G. Williams, PE
>Fire Protection Design/Consulting
>Stonington, CT
>860.535.2080
>www.fpdc.com
>
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Stonington, CT
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