I seem to recall in a previous thread not too long ago that someone
suggested some sort of fluorescent dye that could be injected into the
system and then be seen with a blacklight.  An attic might be a good space
to use this sort of approach to help trace leaks.

~Jarron

Jarron J. Gass - J. & J. Fire Protection Co., Inc.
101 Powell Rd., Butler, PA 16002, (724) 586-6111, fax (724) 586-5151
emergency (724) 898-2481, [email protected], www.jandjfire.com 
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Changing Code Standards in an Existing Bldg. "Opinion"

Good morning Gentlemen (and Ron):

Okay - I'll stick my neck out...Sight unseen, my thought would be to
consider abandoning the dry-pipe system and leaving it in place and going
with wet 13'R' in soffits/retrofit with CPVC piping. I would consider this
only after consulting with the Client and the AHJ (in that order). My gut
says this dry-pipe system is just starting to present numerous
problems/headaches. My other concern is the traditional "lowering the level
of protection" by de-commissioning the attic dry system (Fire Marshal) and
the resultant impact on insurance rates - "partial" protection?

I'm looking at two issues - the safety of occupants and staff (first and
foremost) and the costs to Client. It would appear the Client is going to
invest heavily in maintenance and repairs of the dry system. Depending on
continued degradation, I would start to be concerned about the integrity of
the system - current problems leading to additional problems.

I believe our local Fire Marshal made a prudent decision recently regarding
a new Hyatt Place Hotel here in Santa Fe that had a fourth floor area
(non-attic space/top floor maybe 4,000 sq. ft.), unoccupied/accessible only
by ladder, unheated with exposed 2 by 4 wood framing. Rather than require
sprinkler coverage with a dry-pipe system, smoke detectors were installed
based on "unocupied, non-storage and no heat sources". Fire and Building
Dept.s signed off on it.

I would 'pitch' the 13'R' not as a Code 'change', but as an
upgrade/improvement (positive 'spin'?) to the Client and AHJ - and put some
smokes up in the attic space, just in case. It always comes back to
'liability' - In the event of a 'problem', if you proceed demonstrating due
diligence and have all of the "shareholders" on board, the wet-pipe scenario
would be the approach we would most likely pursue (as an engineering firm).
I didn't catch if system currently has old/SR sprinklers or newer QR/Rez
sprinklers - if old type, the newer technology sprinklers would be a great
selling point, just for starters. And do not forget input from insurance
underwriter "AHJ"...The Client would be well advised to retain a licensed,
FPE to address the Code and legal issues that will arise during
negotiations.

Regards to All/Happiest of Holidays!!

Jerry
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Jerry D. Watts, SFPE
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