No blood drawn, no money lost, no problem

At 06:29 AM 12/14/2011, you wrote:
>Sorry, I meant Tom
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] 
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dewayne Martinez
>Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:23 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Changing Code Standards in an Existing Bldg. "Opinion"
>
>Todd,
>Any way to run a new system next to the old before you take it out of service? 
> That way there would only be minimal disruption when you change over.
>Keep it dry in the attic with a exposed or soffit concealed wet pipe system 
>below?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] 
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Duross
>Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:31 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Changing Code Standards in an Existing Bldg. "Opinion"
>
>Attic is about a 12/12 pitch, a good 10' to the ridge.  Very vented attic, the 
>wind whips through.  I'm thinking of filling it with glycol and hydro the 
>pipe, I worry about any residual water freezing if I use it.  The tree feed 
>main starts 4" and scales down to 2" and it's all screwed pipe.  The season 
>and current occupancy is what worries me.  I showed up two winters ago when 
>some water up there froze and it burst and it was 2 in the morning, snowing 
>(it's right on the water, surrounded by lobstermen) and these poor clients 
>were in vans in the parking lot to keep warm.
>
>They have an Architect they use and I had her forward my report and email to 
>him.  He called and said I could sprinkler it per 13D as R4 under certain 
>amendments in MA's section 310 with 5 or fewer licensed under a MA agency.
>I think Chris is right about applying current codes to older buildings, 
>something just didn't seem right.  The building is owned by the state, 
>licensed and leased to them as operators.
>
>I do need to do an internal inspection and I'm afraid I'm going to find rotten 
>pipe everywhere.  I worry about the clients as they're multi-handicapped 
>adults, some were dropped off there as infants.  I can't disrupt their lives.  
>I'm thinking that maybe I might propose a temporary wet system to protect the 
>living area while we probably replace the entire attic system.  Just so I 
>don't have to make them have to move.
>I have a younger brother like these people so it rings a certain tender 
>importance to me, not that it wouldn't either way.
>
>I plan to offer some plans to them, and they will have to go to the state.
>I've written back to the Architect and want to include him too.  I also want 
>to sit with the chief, he was there 2 winters ago, and a nice guy.  I have to 
>do some Code research.  I also have that tick tock of an air compressor 
>running, 24 hrs. and hoping the phone doesn't ring..
>
>Thanks for all the education forumites.  Any and all ideas very welcomed.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church
>Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:52 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Changing Code Standards in an Existing Bldg. "Opinion"
>
>Can you make it in a non-freeze, nonflammable medium to replace AF?
>Find the leaks, fix em, leave it in there.
>
>George L.  Church, Jr., CET
>Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
>PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
>877-324-ROWE       570-837-6335 fax
>[email protected]
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Thurston
>Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:56 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: Changing Code Standards in an Existing Bldg. "Opinion"
>
>Hello
>
>Hmm Off to invent fluorescent, colored, peppermint scented, smoke to get 
>listed as a leak detection method for Dry Systems.
>
>Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 12:46:15 PM, you wrote:
>
>> I seem to recall in a previous thread not too long ago that someone 
>> suggested some sort of fluorescent dye that could be injected into the 
>> system and then be seen with a blacklight.  An attic might be a good 
>> space to use this sort of approach to help trace leaks.
>
>
>--
>Best regards,
> Charles                            mailto:[email protected]
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