On the project I worked on, the FM felt the gap was not sufficient. But also he 
didn't pull it 194 units into a 200 unit project. 


At 11:09 PM 4/25/2012, you wrote:
>Wouldn't you tink the gap that naturally will occur between the face of the
>door and the edge of the shelf due to the indent of the door in the jam and
>the trim and whatever gap there is between the trim and the edge of the
>shelf be sufficient? Then what is the fuel load of a water heater? The
>insulation on the wiring, contained in a conduit or within the shell of the
>device? How much toxic gas? Obviously a hazard but how severe? Why would
>the committee be so little concerned about the shelf dimension or ratio?
>
>On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Russell & Carol Gregory <
>[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> This situation is about both getting heat up to the sprinkler and getting
>> some water down, at least onto the door.
>> At design stage then slatted shelving or keeping the shelf back from the
>> door face by say 50mm. This would then allow heat up and water down the
>> inside of door.
>> At this completion stage I would drill a number 50mm or 80mm holes in shelf
>> with hole saw and produce vents between the two parts.
>> A bit academic but good practise is to have the shelf with the gap at the
>> door edge. If the closet is in a sleeping space (bedroom) then there is a
>> good case for remedial action due to the risk of a fire building up in the
>> lower space before actuating the sprinkler, and producing larger amounts of
>> toxic gases. I would expect a quick response standard spray sprinkler would
>> be used.
>>
>> Russell Gregory
>> Christchurch, New Zealand
>> Ph  03 338 4853
>> e-mail [email protected]
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd
>> Williams
>> Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2012 5:14 AM
>> To: Charles Thurston; [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Residential Utility Closet
>>
>> I have run into similar situations and a grated shelf was required.
>>
>>
>> At 12:55 PM 4/25/2012, you wrote:
>> >Hello RFletcher,
>> >
>> > From the way I read this the shelf blocks ALL of the space side to
>> >side AND front to rear in the space below the AC unit.  How does the
>> >Sprinkler water get to the space where the hot water heater is?
>> >
>> >Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 10:10:03 AM, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> 2'-10" x 2'-10" closet with 9 ft ceiling. A full width and depth
>> >> shelf is at 4'-2" above the floor. AC unit sits on the shelf and
>> >> water heater is below, there is a typical 6'-8" door on the closet .
>> >> Applicable code is 2002 NFPA #13. The inspector is insisting that we
>> >> add sprinkler beneath the shelf to cover the water heater because of
>> >> the obstruction from the shelf supporting the AC. Of course it is
>> >> near the end of the project and this is the first time the issue has
>> >> been raised. We pointed out that 6.4.6.3.1 in 13R (2010) and the
>> >> handbook says one head is enough in 400 sqft. closet. The inspector
>> >> says that 13R doesn't apply and that 13 is blah blah blah. He is
>> >> technically correct but holy cow 2 heads in a six square feet closet?
>> >
>> >> I thought that if I could find the ROP and ROC for what is currently
>> >> 6.4.6.3.1 in 13R that there would be something in the substantiation
>> >> we could send to the inspector. Or do you think the inspector is
>> >> right, do we need another sprinkler?
>> >
>> >
>> >> Ron Fletcher
>> >> Aero Automatic
>> >> Phoenix, AZ
>> >
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