I think the consensus here is that these things don't work, are prohibited in the 2010 edition of 13, need to be noted and documented when found, and should be removed and the system corrected. The argument is how to note and document, not whether or not to. Since a 25 report form filled out by a tech has as much enforcement weight as a note on a napkin, the decision to fix things rests with the long-term consideration of what is best for his business businessman, or more likely, the demand of the FM. Given that the contractor and technician are only concerned with noting and reporting, and about everything I've heard from the committee members, and as mentioned here by Top, I'd think it prudent to CYA with reporting and also by NOT doing it on the actual test reports, but rather on a supplemental document. That said I'm leaning towards the foreign matter argument as a legitimate 25 issue. This has been a good discussion. Mostly on topic. For fun I suggest you watch the SFPE discussion board. 50% of the answers have nothing to do with the topic/question raised, as if no one actually read it, and another 30% become pitches for how one PE can answer the other PE's question for a fee. My image is chickens rushing around like, well, chickens with their heads cut-off, when you throw the grain into the pen. Good for a laugh.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Mike Cabral <[email protected]>wrote: > The heat collector shown looks like a product mfg by ASCOA which was > intended for use with HAD's for Supertex Systems. > > I think the product was listed for the application however not intended > for sprinklers only for HAD's . I assume same principals would apply to a > HAD as a sprinkler. ASCOA was selling these in 1995 when I left Automatic. > I > recall customers ordering this product because it was called a Heat > Collector and used them rather than a pie plate which was used rather > extensively in the State of CA on drops installed in a spec office building > with no ceiling installed. > > After a someone was moving in the ceiling was installed and the Pie Plates > where removed. As I recall this was done frequently in Northern CA > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 2, 2012, at 1:52 PM, "Brad Casterline" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > http://www.hss.doe.gov/SESA/Analysis/oesummary/oesummary2002/oe2002-20.pdf > > > > here's one. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brad Casterline [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:26 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: NFPA 25 inspection of sprinklers with heat collector plates > > installed > > > > > http://www.dps.alaska.gov/fire/PRB/docs/codeforum/AutomaticSprinklers_Sprink > > lerHeatCollectors.pdf > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > Just FYI-- i'll search for the "evidence" mentioned in the article. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20120802/673954ca/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
