NFPA 13 (2013) Section 6.1.1.2 "Unless the requirements of 6.1.1.3, 6.1.1.4, or 
6.1.1.5 are met, all materials and devices essential to successful system 
operation shall be listed."  Section 6.1.1.3.1, "Nonmetallic pipe and fittings 
included in Table 6.3.1.1 and Table 6.4.1 shall be listed."  Since HDPE is not 
listed in Table 6.3.1.1 or 6.4.1, it appears to me that you must then rely on 
the listing in order to use it.  Section 6.3.7* states, "Nonmetallic Pipe. 
Nonmetallic pipe in accordance with Table 6.3.1.1 shall be investigated for 
suitability in automatic sprinkler installations and listed for this service."
Section 6.3.7.1 states, "Listed nonmetallic pipe shall be installed in 
accordance with its listing limitations, including installation instructions." 

NFPA 24 (2013) Section 10.1.1* states, "Listing. Piping shall be listed for 
fire protection service or shall comply with the standards in Table 10.1.1."

HDPE is not listed for above ground installation.  If code states to install in 
accordance with its listing, I don't see how it can be installed above grade 
and called compliant.

Ryan Hinson
Burns & McDonnell
Direct: 952-656-3662

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Gents:

This is a tough one - I see both sides...That said, I am reminded that 
"listing" issues (as explained to me by "experts") should be considered when: 
1) A backflow prevention assembly (inside of structure) must be same size as 
underground "lead-in" (USC??)---No 6" reduced down to 4" BFP...2) If you 
remove/replace parts/valves on a BFP, you violate the UL-Listing...It seems to 
me if you 'violate' the listings, the attorneys can step in and show us who 
really controls our industry!!

This sounds like the proverbial "slippery slope".  Just my thoughts...

Regards to All-

Jerry
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