when the installation standard explicitly states it is ok to apply in a manner 
other than indicated by the listing and one applies it, how in the world does 
that merit being noncompliant or criminal (i.e. worthy of the ugly orange suit)?

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       ---      Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
Dallas, TX
http://www.firesprinkler.org





On Jul 10, 2013, at 2:00 PM, "Hinson, Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote:

> NFPA 13 (2013) Section 6.1.1.2 "Unless the requirements of 6.1.1.3, 6.1.1.4, 
> or 6.1.1.5 are met, all materials and devices essential to successful system 
> operation shall be listed."  Section 6.1.1.3.1, "Nonmetallic pipe and 
> fittings included in Table 6.3.1.1 and Table 6.4.1 shall be listed."  Since 
> HDPE is not listed in Table 6.3.1.1 or 6.4.1, it appears to me that you must 
> then rely on the listing in order to use it.  Section 6.3.7* states, 
> "Nonmetallic Pipe. Nonmetallic pipe in accordance with Table 6.3.1.1 shall be 
> investigated for suitability in automatic sprinkler installations and listed 
> for this service."
> Section 6.3.7.1 states, "Listed nonmetallic pipe shall be installed in 
> accordance with its listing limitations, including installation 
> instructions." 
> 
> NFPA 24 (2013) Section 10.1.1* states, "Listing. Piping shall be listed for 
> fire protection service or shall comply with the standards in Table 10.1.1."
> 
> HDPE is not listed for above ground installation.  If code states to install 
> in accordance with its listing, I don't see how it can be installed above 
> grade and called compliant.
> 
> Ryan Hinson

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