You are certainly entitled to disagree. But what about the plastic in OH rooms, deck sprinklers (typically not smooth) and backflow preventers? Aren't these the same issue some have raised?
Chris Cahill, PE* Senior Fire Protection Engineer, Aviation & Facilities Group Burns & McDonnell 8201 Norman Center Drive Bloomington, MN 55437 Phone: 952.656.3652 Fax: 952.229.2923 [email protected] www.burnsmcd.com Proud to be one of FORTUNE's 100 Best Companies to Work For *Registered in: MN -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 6:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Underground Stub-Up I can't buy code trumps listing if the listing is more restrictive than the code. Who supports my simple prescriptive design if the installation meets code and was approved but fails because the listing says no. I know the manufacturer will disavow all knowledge. The code official will scurry and hide in hos hidey hole. And my insurer will side with whoever says I did something wrong. On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Cahill, Christopher <[email protected]>wrote: > There are two separate questions I think Craig and I are talking about > - can you legally do something (yes - code trumps listing) and will > the mfg pay for a loss if outside the listing (no - you violated the > terms of the warranty/listing). > > Chris Cahill, PE* > Senior Fire Protection Engineer, Aviation & Facilities Group Burns & > McDonnell > 8201 Norman Center Drive > Bloomington, MN 55437 > Phone: 952.656.3652 > Fax: 952.229.2923 > [email protected] > www.burnsmcd.com > > Proud to be one of FORTUNE's 100 Best Companies to Work For > *Registered in: MN > > > On Jul 10, 2013, at 12:10 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > "Code trumps listings is the way I read it and this new section says > nothing about DI." > > > > Code can never trump manufacturers listing limitations otherwise > > you're > using the product outside of the mfgrs intended use. NFPA 13-2013 > 6.3.7.1 & 6.3.7.1.1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
