When I was an EMT there was rarely any time we arrived and there wasn't another ambulance already parked there (multiple bays). Routinely went to 4 different hospitals. Typical parked times would be 20-60 minutes. So while an individual ambulance may not be parked for more than an hour the space was more populated time wise than about any other type of parking ramp/area that gets sprinklered. And it's a hospital ER (usually). Without sprinklers the ER is probably down for a real long time. With sprinklers, back in service maybe an hour later? I'd require sprinklers.
Oh and my primary ambulance once burned up in the (unsprinklered) fire station. Could easily have been under the patient drop off. Granted this isn't a good reason because I had one bad experience. I don't know the rates of ambulances are any higher than general areas. Chris Cahill, PE* Senior Fire Protection Engineer, Aviation & Facilities Group Burns & McDonnell 8201 Norman Center Drive Bloomington, MN 55437 Phone: 952.656.3652 Fax: 952.229.2923 [email protected] www.burnsmcd.com Proud to be one of FORTUNE's 100 Best Companies to Work For *Registered in: MN -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cliff Whitfield Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 10:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Heat trace question I would say it's more like a porte cochere. These emergency vehicles aren't under there long. I probably stay under a porte cochere longer when unloading luggage that these folks do unloading critical patients. No way it's a loading dock in my opinion. Cliff Whitfield, SET President Fire Design, Inc. Ph: 719-488-3479 [email protected] www.fire-design.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 8:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Heat trace question It's more like a loading dock than a porte cochere. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Rod DiBona <[email protected]> wrote: > We find that we have to sprinkler most of these. The last one we sat > down with the AHJ and walked through and he agreed that we didn't need > to. After submittal the hospitals insurance company came back and > mandated it anyway, so another variable to keep in mind. We do a lot > of work in cold country but try to avoid the heat tape at all costs. > Expensive, limited life and quite honestly just not experienced with > it. We have however learned a lot about tenting the pipe in those > tough situations. > > Rod at Rapid > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve > Leyton > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 3:49 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Heat trace question > > Okay, corollary question: what is the consensus opinion on ambulance > ports > - is that a canopy such as a porte-cochere that does not require > sprinklers? Or would the use as a staging and transit space for very > compromised people be a compelling reason to sprinkler? This > particular space is a nightmare to pipe and protect as it's subject to > freezing AND is actually two canopies of different heights separated > by about 2.5 ft. > of air space between them ... > > Steve L. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Ron Greenman > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 12:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Heat trace question > > You won't be able to change the mind of that ahem agency I'm sure but > why are they opposed to an auxiliary dry system that is specifically > allowed in 13/2013-7.1.3? > > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Steve Leyton > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > These are two isolated areas at a hospital - one over some outdoor > > seating at the dining common and the other a canopy that covers trash > > enclosures and a couple of service enclosures. Both are a couple > > hundred feet from the service entry and if we built a dry riser > > there, > > > we don't have enough room to slope the long run of main to the > protected > > spaces. The AHJ is one of those state agencies that has <ahem> > > interpreted the standard liberally, and they don't want any dry > > system > > > that may be downstream of the riser room no matter how it's > > configured, so I'm thinking that trace may be an alternative to the > > auxiliary drainage and maintenance issues associated with dry-pipe > > in this particular application. > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > Bobby Gillett > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 12:03 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Heat trace question > > > > Steve, > > > > I had priced a system about two years ago and learned a lot. I > > found the Tyco Raychem system was the best for my scenario; a lot of > > factors > > > go in to it - depends on size of piping and length, how much (if > > any) insulation will be used, temperatures, and don't forget it has > > to be listed for FP and supervised per NFPA 13. We had a local Tyco > > distributor work up the pricing > > - we gave him our plans and he took it off and priced it. I'm glad > > he did. > > I would have missed a lot - this was a big system in a 100'-0+ tower > > w/standpipes etc.. It ended up needing two panels for supervisory > > due to the length of the cables, etc. > > > > Bobby > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Steve Leyton > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Help a warm weather brother out please, with recommendations for > heat > > > trace systems. 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