New Jersey has that covered as well and many a submission has been rejected
because of such"legal" language;  (Emphasis in CAPS)

 

5:23-2.15 Construction permits--application 

 

(f) Plans, plan review, plan release:

 

1. "Plans and specifications: The application for the permit shall be
accompanied by no fewer than two copies of specifications and of plans drawn
to scale, with sufficient clarity and detail dimensions to show the nature
and character of the work to be performed. Plans submitted shall be required
to show only such detail and include only such information as shall be
necessary to demonstrate compliance with the requirements of the code and
these regulations or to facilitate inspections for code conformity. When
quality of materials is essential for conformity to the regulations,
specific information shall be given to establish such quality; and this code
shall not be cited, or the term "legal" or its equivalent be used, as a
substitute for specific information."

 

Bottom line anyone can write "Furnish and Install a system in compliance
with IBC..NFPA... etc", or "Provide system in compliance with the NJ Uniform
Construction Code", it doesn't take an engineer or technician to do that
relegating such tasks to the contractor.  If you commissioned to design then
design.  There's been considerable discussion again about plan stamping
where professional engineers are paid a fee and do little if any actual
supervision. If that's the case we might as well accept the NICET certified
technicians design and save the owner money.

 

Last but not least the architect of record is typically the principal design
professional responsible overall for a project and commissioned by the
client and the first on the project well in advance of the MEPF.   Don't
forget where the RCP comes from.

 

 

John Drucker, CET

Assistant Construction Official

Fire Protection Subcode Official

Building/Fire/Electrical Inspector

Borough of Red Bank

Red Bank, New Jersey

Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 

Cell/Text: 732-904-6823

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 4:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: 100 PSI requirement at top of Standpipe

 

Isn't it suppose to be if you stamp it, you own it.  Granted they think
saying meet all codes and standards exempts them from oversights (like
calling the entire school Light Hazard despite it having a working aircraft
hangar as part of the facility) and it's often easier to fix than fight but
until they consistently get kicked in the ... lets go with wallet, it isn't
going to change.  Just like in the parking lot of most stores, where it says
not responsible for damage caused by carts.  If accepted, it's true. 

 

Roland

 

Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering

American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       ---      Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives

Dallas, TX

 <http://www.firesprinkler.org> http://www.firesprinkler.org

 

 

 

 

 

On Feb 19, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Todd Williams < <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]> wrote:

 

> First of all there has to be an EoR in the first place. Today you get a
lot of stuff that is design-build because no one wants to take
responsibility. The project ends up being "specified" by the estimator when
he figures the job and the it is designed by a Nicet designer. If the
designer does not have a state license, then the former septic system
engineer-turned baptist minister (actual case here in CT) stamps it. So who
is ultimately responsible? 

> 

> Todd G Williams, PE

> Fire Protection Design/Consulting

> Stonington, CT

> 860-535-2080

>  <http://www.fpdc.com> www.fpdc.com

> 

 

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