If NFPA 1 (2012) is applicable... 4.5.8.2 No existing life safety feature shall be removed or reduced where such feature is a requirement for new construction. [ 101 :4.6.12.2] 4.5.8.3 Existing life safety features obvious to the public, if not required by the Code, shall be either maintained or removed. [ 101 :4.6.12.3] 4.5.8.4 Existing life safety features that exceed the requirements for new buildings shall be permitted to be decreased to those required for new buildings. [ 101 :4.6.7.4] 4.5.8.5 Existing life safety features that do not meet the requirements for new buildings, but that exceed the requirements for existing buildings, shall not be further diminished. [ 101 :4.6.7.5]
Duane Johnson, PE Program Manager Division of the Fire Marshal (Contractor) Office of Research Services National Institutes of Health 301-496-0487 "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" -----Original Message----- From: rongreenman . [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Interstitial Space Sprinklers Richard hit it with, "Any device that has the physical appearance of life safety or fire protection equipment...." This is the key. Unused stuff that isn't life safety in appearance need not be removed if non-functional, but if life safety it has to come out or, as Todd said, needs to be in full compliance, whether required or not. So if it's life safety stuff and not required it can stay or go as long as it works properly, but if out of compliance it must be right or it must go. On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > Then you would have to make it right or take it out. If a system is > installed, it has to be per code, whether it is required or not > > Todd G Williams, PE > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > Stonington, CT > 860-535-2080 > www.fpdc.com > > > > On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Steven Cook <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Depending on placement of the full height walls, it is possible some > > of > these existing heads could now be positioned as exceeding the maximum > distance from walls..... > > > > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd - > Work > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:44 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Interstitial Space Sprinklers > > > > However, if the upright sprinklers are still connected and > > operational, > why wold they need to be taken out? If some of the existing heads are > removed and the outlets used as drops (without installing new > uprights), then all of the uprights in that area should be removed. > > > > Todd G Williams, PE > > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > > Stonington, CT > > www.fpdc.com > > 860-535-2080 (ofc) > > > >> On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Richard Lindner > >> <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Based on prior discussions here, this is a cited reference (IFC > >> 2012 > >> 901.4.5) if applicable. > >> > >> "Any device that has the physical appearance of life safety or fire > >> protection equipment but that does not perform that life safety or > >> fire protection function shall be prohibited" > >> > >> > >>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Steven Cook > >>> <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> We have a fit-out project of an existing core / shell condition > building. > >>> Beam and girder construction, all noncombustible. Existing > >>> sprinkler coverage is average 10 x 12 spacing for the open space. > >>> Accounting for beam and other MEP obstructions as required, etc. > >>> The contract drawings are depicting new branch line piping > >>> supplying the > sprinklers at the ACT > >>> ceilings. Deck at 15 feet, new ceilings range from 8'6" to 10 feet. > They > >>> currently depict the existing upright heads to remain. > >>> > >>> I believe the existing heads are 165 F, but need to verify. It's > >>> the ground floor of a multi-story building (so not at an > >>> un-insulated > roof). > >>> > >>> Although the heads are not required, is there a requirement to > >>> remove > the > >>> existing upright heads? I thought there was, but didn't locate it. > >>> Pushing to remove them, but want to have back-up when told to "prove" > >>> they need to come out. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Steve Cook > >>> TG Gallagher > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firespr > >>> ink > >>> ler.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firespri > >> nkl > >> er.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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