Ron,
Thanks, that's what I needed.
I will write the engineer.
Regards,
G. Tim Stone
G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC
NICET Level III Engineering Technician
Fire Protection Sprinkler Design
and Consulting Services
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> rongreenman .
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 12:46 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: NFPA 13 versus FM Global
>
> Tim,
>
> The EOR can specify marshmallows as fire protection if he wishes. You
can't
> but he can. Look at the Fed for example. They want IBC and NFPA 101 and
the
> most rigid when there's a conflict. And as their own AHJ they are quite
> able to dictate thusly. You have the documentation that says this is what
> he wants. If you're concerned about taking a fall for poor design send him
> a letter (registered if you're really paranoid with a received return
> receipt) asking if mix and match is what he really wants. Put a copy, and
> the receipt, with your paperwork and you've done more than YOUR due
> diligence, even if he doesn't respond. If you want him to change his mind
> offer your ideas as an alternative. Maybe it's your birthday and maybe
not.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 8:23 AM, G. Tim Stone <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> > Forum,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am working on a warehouse design utilizing ESFR K25.2 Pendent heads.
> >
> > Commodity is Group A expanded, uncartoned plastics, high piled and
stored
> > in-racks. Top of storage [17'-0] AFF. Roof peak is [30-0], 1/4 " / 12"
> roof
> > pitch.
> >
> >
> >
> > Question? Is the following allowed?
> >
> > Since the Commodity falls outside the scope of NFPA 13 the specifying
> > Fire Protection Engineer of record has specified FM guidelines for
> > Design criteria, 8-9 Table 6 "Ceiling Level Protection
> > Guidelines....." for the Commodity using ESFR, K25.2, Ceiling Height
> > of 30', K25.2, 12 operating heads @ 30PSI. But then He specifies NFPA 13
> for Spacing and Obstruction
> > Criteria. The building is up including Lights and HVAC, (YUUCK) and
> NFPA
> > 13 criteria is going to be much easier to work with.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have always been under the impression we design and install to
> > either one or the other Standard.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am crazy, but am I on this one?
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > G. Tim Stone
> >
> >
> >
> > G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC
> >
> > NICET Level III Engineering Technician
> >
> > Fire Protection Sprinkler Design
> >
> > and Consulting Services
> >
> >
> >
> > 117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452
> >
> > CELL: (802) 373-0638 TEL: (802) 434-2968 Fax: (802) 434-4343
> >
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