So I'm closer to that first drink of the weekend... nice :) Steven MacKinnon Fire Protection Division Hartcorn Plumbing and Heating, Inc. 850 South Second Street Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 Office 631-580-2300 Fax – 631-580-1090
-----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of rongreenman . Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 2:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Hibachi grills Still morning here Steve. On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Steve Mackinnon <[email protected]> wrote: > Lol, love the comments on a Friday afternoon, thank you!!! > > I think a call to the AHJ would help a lot and see if he'll except > this layout... > > Thanks > Steven > > Steven MacKinnon > Fire Protection Division > Hartcorn Plumbing and Heating, Inc. > 850 South Second Street > Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 > Office 631-580-2300 Fax – 631-580-1090 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of rongreenman . > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 2:32 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Hibachi grills > > The plenum/duct interface is the most dangerous place in the > hood/plenum/duct assembly but it's a Class I Hood System > (combustible/flammable vapors) and so weld sealed along it's entire > length. Mechanical codes require that the duct be insulation wrapped > under certain circumstances (this is a Drucker for sure, I've only > seen this wrapping in high-rise and within concealed spaces, but I > hesitate to say that's the "WHY" as I've never studied cod on this). > This sounds like you are required to either have sprinklers in the > plenum (which would necessitate a penetration--bad juju), or that they > want the area outside the duct/plenum interface protected for the > probably "happened once and we're damned sure not gonna have that > happen again" fire solution. The route of greasy vapors is collected > by the hood and then enters the hood duct system which is a separate > fire area until it encounters some sort of air scrubber or exits the > building (a minimum ten feet from any property line). I love cooking, > eating, cooking history, recipes, cooking fires, both controlled and > not, and cooking/restaurant fire protection. And a good shot of single > malt or a quality mezcal. That's a hint should any of you ever happen > to be where I am and there's a bar close by }:-P > > > > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Steve Mackinnon > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Thank you Ron. > > The exhaust duct reduces to a third of its size within the plenum > > (above the grill hood), and the mechanical code is locating the > > upright heads outside of the duct in the cavity created by the > > reduction. These upright heads will be ineffective controlling a > > fire as > they are strangely located. > > I get the feeling that the mechanical code is looking for that last > > ditch effect to put water on an uncontrollable fire... > > > > Thank you > > Steven > > > > Steven MacKinnon > > Fire Protection Division > > Hartcorn Plumbing and Heating, Inc. > > 850 South Second Street > > Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 > > Office 631-580-2300 Fax – 631-580-1090 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of > rongreenman . > > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 2:03 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Hibachi grills > > > > There's provision for sprinklers (and has always been as far back as > > I > > go) for sprinklers in hoods. This is an alternative to CO2, or wet > > or dry chem, or any other acceptable protection method for > > commercial > cooking hoods. > > Look at 13-10.Figure A.7.10.2. FYI: a hibachi in Japan is a box with > > charcoal that's placed under the table (think table at floor level > > with a hole under it for your feet and legs) that is then covered > > with a quilt that also covers the diners' legs and is used to keep > > the lower extremities warm during mealtimes on cold days (think > > paper walls and no heating system with snow outside). That morphed > > into a small table top grill similar to a Little Smokey but made out > > of cast iron (original hibachis were wooden boxes filled with sand). > > The grills used in a Beni Hana type teppan (cooking style type like > > stir fry or teriyaki or tempura)) restaurant is a flat grill and so > > by definition, for our purposes, is a flat grill cooktop and so > > falls into the hazard of grease in depth, along with deep fat fryers > > and tilting tray skillets. You cannot use sprinklers to protect this > > type of cooking surface unless listed for grease in depth. There has > > not been a head so listed since the early nineties. You can protect > > the ductwork and plenum areas with sprinklers but why would you when > > the chem system does that anyways? And if you use a rated and listed > > for fire protection, self-cleaning hood you don't need anything > > except for > the surface chem system. > > > > > > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 6:13 AM, Steve Mackinnon > > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > That's all I saw in that thread too... > > > > > > Steven MacKinnon > > > Fire Protection Division > > > Hartcorn Plumbing and Heating, Inc. > > > 850 South Second Street > > > Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 > > > Office 631-580-2300 Fax - 631-580-1090 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt > > > Grise > > > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 9:11 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: RE: Hibachi grills > > > > > > You might check the mail archive. I recall a lengthy thread on > > > hibachi restaurants a while back... although I think it was mostly > > > regarding hazard level. > > > > > > Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II > > > Sales Engineer > > > Alliance Fire Protection > > > 130 w 9th Ave. > > > North Kansas City, MO 64116 > > > > > > *Licensed in KS & MO > > > > > > 913.888.0647 ph > > > 913.888.0618 f > > > 913.927.0222 cell > > > www. AFPsprink.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve > > > Mackinnon > > > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 8:07 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Hibachi grills > > > > > > Good morning everyone, > > > > > > I'm working on a small restaurant that will have multiple hibachi > > > grills... Somehow my boss got ahold of an old 2000 New York State > > > Mechanical code detail showing two upright heads above the fume > > > hood in an exhaust plenum. I'm trying to locate a similar detail > > > or requirement in the latest edition (2010), has anyone come > > > across this > > before?? > > > > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > Steven > > > > > > > > > Steven MacKinnon > > > Fire Protection Division > > > Hartcorn Plumbing and Heating, Inc. > > > 850 South Second Street > > > Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 > > > Office 631-580-2300 Fax - 631-580-1090 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firespr > > > in > > > kl > > > er.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firespr > > > in kl er.org _______________________________________________ > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firespr > > > in > > > kl > > > er.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ron Greenman > > Instructor > > Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College > > 1101 So. 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