Elevation was/is my main concern. I agree with the closed loop in a perfect 
world scenario but that rarely if ever happens. The safest way in my opinion is 
to take it back to the test hydrant and account for underground piping, valves, 
& elevations.

Brian Harris, CET
BVS Systems Inc.
bvssytemsinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Todd - Work
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Location of Flow Test in Calc's

What I was taught was that the effective point for a flow test is at the 
intersection of the flowing and non-flowing water. This is the point you should 
calculate from. This can vary given the configuration of the mains, hydrants, 
connections or whatever. Quite often this is at or near the gauge hydrant, but 
not always.

Interestingly, if you have a situation with a looped public main with 2 
hydrants and a connection to a supply in the middle (0 elevation difference), 
the designer may not be far off. If you do a flow test with the gauge on one 
hydrant and flowing the other, then switch hydrants, the results will be close 
or exactly the same. That would mean that the supply at the connection in the 
middle would have the same characteristics as the tests. . This could be where 
he (or she) got the info.  However, adding the the underground loss from the 
effective point would help with the inherent inaccuracies in our test 
procedures. Any deviation from the exact scenario above would or could throw 
this off.

Elevation differences always need to be considered.

Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
www.fpdc.com
860-535-2080 (ofc)

> On Jun 19, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Brian Harris <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Was just told by one of our new designers that he was taught that it didn't 
> matter where the flow test was taken on the underground that you just need to 
> take it back to the tie in point at the main & that everywhere he's worked 
> does it that way. News to me, any of you guys do it that way? If so how do 
> you account for the loss in the underground to the test hydrant, elevation, 
> etc.... ?
>
> Brian Harris, CET
> BVS Systems Inc.
> Sprinkler Division
> bvssystemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/>
> Phone: 704.896.9989
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