Since this is an issue related more to the municipal water supply for manual 
firefighting, this should be handled by the Architect.  

If I were in your place I'd push this back to the Architect stating that 
determining fire flow is not part of sprinkler system design, the two are not 
related.

Determining Fire Flow isn't rocket science, there are a few things you've got 
to know when determining the requirements, that's the only real tricky part.



Craig L. Prahl 
Fire Protection Group Lead
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
Spartanburg, SC  29303
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
CH2MHILL Extension  74102
[email protected]



-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Tim Stone
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water Supply Evaluation

Craig,

In this case I was hired by the Architect to design a Sprinkler system for a 
brand new Church. The project is in a rural setting so fire pump and tanks are 
being used. Is it reasonable for the AHJ to expect the NICET certified designer 
to perform this duty or shouldn't this responsibility fall back onto the 
Architect who in this case would be the EOR?

Regards,
G. Tim Stone

G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC
NICET Level III Engineering Technician
Fire Protection Sprinkler Design
and Consulting Services

                117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452
CELL: (802) 373-0638   TEL: (802) 434-2968   Fax: (802) 434-4343
                           [email protected]

-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water Supply Evaluation

Is your project a rural or suburban project?

Fire flow requirements should be identified by the EOR with direction from the 
local or otherwise applicable fire authority.

I typically make a call to the local fire authority to find out what method is 
used to determine fire flow.  There are several different methods out there 
with requirements that vary greatly so guessing isn't a wise move.

Once we know their approved method, we apply that info and determine what is 
required to meet Code.  Sometimes that entails a tank and pump, sometimes not.  

Fire Flow is one thing that gets overlooked a lot in engineering design.  We 
recently had one contractor telling an owner that the requirements for fire 
flow were ridiculous and he's never had to do that anywhere else.  I hope he 
doesn't do much design beyond 7-11 stores with his level of knowledge of the 
Codes.

Craig L. Prahl
Fire Protection Group Lead
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
Spartanburg, SC  29303
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
CH2MHILL Extension  74102
[email protected]



-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Steele, Andrew
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water Supply Evaluation

This most likely is from the International Fire Code, Chapter 5, Fire
Service Features, (G) Section 507 Fire Protection Water Supplies.
Subsection 507.3 says "fire flow requirements for building or portions of
building and facilities shall be determined by an approved method".
In Ohio, this has been adopted direct into the Ohio Administrative Code.
I'm guessing any other jurisdiction using ICC are (or will) be doing the
same.    

Typically the local Fire Marshal will help facilitate the evaluation (to be
conducted by a private fire protection/water utility contractor) and will be
the one to review/approve it. 

Andrew Steele
Dayton, OH
(937) 333-4522



-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim
Stone
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Water Supply

 

Has anyone in other parts of the country run across this?

I just received a copy of a state fire marshal's review letter on a new
project in which they are asking that the (Water supply for firefighting
shall be evaluated and provided in accordance with NFPA 1142).

 

Who is responsible for this evaluation in your area?

 

Regards,

G. Tim Stone

 

G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC

NICET Level III Engineering Technician

Fire Protection Sprinkler Design

and Consulting Services

 

                117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452

CELL: (802) 373-0638   TEL: (802) 434-2968   Fax: (802) 434-4343

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