Just a different perspective, but when you concede to the AHJ when they are wrong, you only further empower them. Mark at Aero
-----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of IPA Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 11:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Chain Link Partitions in Ord Group II Thanks - that is what I was looking for. However, now that I see the wording I know this reviewer will dispute the chain link being a 'structural member' - righly so, more than likely. I think I will just re-space accordingly and avoid the headache. On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Todd - Work <[email protected]> wrote: > If you go into the definitions section, under Unobstructed > Construction, it references structural members with openings "at least > 70% of the cross section area" as being considered unobstructed. This > same magical 70% also shows up in requirements for mesh in privacy > curtains. I think this could be extrapolated to include chain link, > provided there is over 70% openings in the cross sectional area. > > Todd G Williams, PE > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > Stonington, CT > www.fpdc.com > 860-535-2080 (ofc) > > > On Jul 8, 2014, at 12:27 PM, "Steve Leyton" > > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Got it, we see this in condo communities all the time. > > Mini-storage, personal tenant storage ... it's all pretty much the > > same compartmentalization mentality. IMHO the chain link elements > > are not obstructions. > > > > SL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sprinklerforum > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > IPA > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:24 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Chain Link Partitions in Ord Group II > > > > This is a large storage area adjacent to a locker room. The storage > > room is divided up into little compartments with chain link 'security mesh' > > while the locker rooms have certain areas that are solid framed up > > to 2 ft from the ceiling which is chain link from there on up. I had > > it originally layed out as if they were not obstructions but now > > that I'm starting to finalize everything I'm starting to second > > guess myself and would like to have backup in case plan review questions it. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Steve Leyton > > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> I'd take a common sense approach to this. If sprinklers were > >> jammed up against this type of divider, they could be obstructed. > >> But if storage height and clearance-to-deflector limits are > >> observed, these > > don't > >> present an obstruction. Are you looking at a mini-storage? Over the > >> years, have done many of these throughout the Southwest and the use > >> of > > > >> chain link - either full height or just the top 2 feet of framed > >> partitions - has been the go-to means of allowing us to stretch out > >> sprinkler spacing and not end up with mean coverage of 50-75 sq. ft. > >> per sprinkler. > >> > >> Steve Leyton > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Sprinklerforum > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > >> Of IPA > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:16 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Chain Link Partitions in Ord Group II > >> > >> Would chain link 'partitions' (full height to ceiling) be > >> considered an obstruction for a storage area in an ordinary group 2 > >> occupancy? > >> I'm having a hard time coming up with anything for this and the > >> closest I can think of is the privacy curtain requirement for light > > hazard. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firespri > >> nkl > >> er > >> .org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> > >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firespri > >> nkl > >> er.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin > > kler > > .org > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
