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> On Sep 8, 2014, at 12:04 PM, "rongreenman ." <[email protected]> wrote: > > Nope. > > > >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:56 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Battlefield earth? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of rongreenman . >> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 9:42 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: fume hood / dust collector - sprinklers in? >> >> Brad, I had an AHJ like that: sprinklers are better than no sprinklers >> always make a customer sprinkler a building that contained a 1000F degree >> molten salt bath process. even though the manufacturer said that water and >> molten salt don't mix. The AHJ's solution was to shield the machine from >> the sprinklers. That comprised a $37,000.00 hood that left about three feet >> of floor on either side, and eight feet at the ends protected by the >> sprinklers. The machine itself had four levels of redundancy against >> thermostat failure and each thermostat was an electronic device that >> reported it's condition to a central processor that was also in a fail-safe >> mode. harder to get the thing to turn on than to shut down. "Stupid, stupid >> rat creatures." A beer to the first one that can name the reference for the >> quoted materials (without using the internet). >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 7:06 AM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Just throw some heads in there like you knew they were required. If >>> Woodrow Call was the AHJ he might say "better to have heads and not >>> need them than to need them and not have them" >>> >>>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:56 AM, "Bill Brooks" >>>> <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Another case of the difference between "when required" and "how to >>>> do >>> it". The International Mechanical Code (2012) Sections 510 (Hazardous >>> Exhaust Systems) and Section 511 (Dust, Stock and Refuse Conveying >>> Systems) provide guidance on this. Again, it shouldn't be up to a >>> sprinkler contractor to figure out whether sprinklers should be >>> installed but only to install per the appropriate standard. As with >>> most of these issues, we don't know if there is a design professional >>> on this job or whether your regular customer has just installed a new >>> process and has called you to do what's required. At a minimum you >>> should have a copy of the IMC which is enforced for this location. >>>> >>>> So, someone (you??) must assess the installation per IMC Section >>> 510/511 from end to end. There is a suppression system reference in >>> Section 510.7. Some determination needs to be made as to whether the >>> materials are "nonflammable and noncombustible under all conditions >>> and at any concentration" then make the call on suppression. The >>> entire exhaust system must be engineered to meet the performance >>> characteristics in the IMC. >>>> >>>> Of course, local code amendments will govern as well as any local >>>> AHJ, >>> insurance requirements etc. >>>> >>>> Sprinkler contractors have a long history of being the can-do guys, >>>> with >>> no good way to transfer scope responsibility to the right place. >>>> >>>> Bill Brooks >>>> >>>> William N. Brooks, P.E. >>>> Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc. >>>> 372 Wilett Drive >>>> Severna Park, MD 21146-1904 >>>> 410-544-3620 >>>> 410-544-3032 FAX >>>> 412-400-6528 Cell >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Dewayne >>> Martinez >>>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 7:43 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: fume hood / dust collector - sprinklers in? >>>> >>>> I have a job where they have a small furnace to create molten metal >>>> for >>> castings. There is a hood (2x8ft) above the area where they take the >>> used probes and clean them off. This duct work goes outside to a >>> dust collector. How do I determine if sprinklers are needed in the >>> hood and ductwork? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Dewayne >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl >>> er.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl >>> er.org _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl >>> er.org >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ron Greenman >> Instructor >> Fire Protection Engineering Technology >> Bates Technical College >> 1101 So. Yakima Ave. >> Tacoma, WA 98405 >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ >> >> 253.680.7346 >> 253.576.9700 (cell) >> >> Member: >> ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC >> >> They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis >> Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) >> >> A problem well stated is a problem half solved. -Charles F. Kettering, >> inventor and engineer (1876-1958) >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology > Bates Technical College > 1101 So. 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