Mine is a Pulitzer Prize winning epic adventure of the old American west Ron F. 
I have no idea what Ron G's is, but I know he knows what mine is and hopefully 
will let me have a sip or two

> On Sep 8, 2014, at 12:04 PM, "rongreenman ." <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Nope.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:56 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Battlefield earth?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:
>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of rongreenman .
>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 9:42 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: fume hood / dust collector - sprinklers in?
>> 
>> Brad, I had an AHJ like that: sprinklers are better than no sprinklers
>> always make a customer sprinkler a building that contained a 1000F degree
>> molten salt bath process. even though the manufacturer said that water and
>> molten salt don't mix. The AHJ's solution was to shield the machine from
>> the sprinklers. That comprised a $37,000.00 hood that left about three feet
>> of floor on either side, and eight feet at the ends protected by the
>> sprinklers. The machine itself had four levels of redundancy against
>> thermostat failure and each thermostat was an electronic device that
>> reported it's condition to a central processor that was also in a fail-safe
>> mode. harder to get the thing to turn on than to shut down. "Stupid, stupid
>> rat creatures." A beer to the first one that can name the reference for the
>> quoted materials (without using the internet).
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 7:06 AM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just throw some heads in there like you knew they were required. If
>>> Woodrow Call was the AHJ he might say "better to have heads and not
>>> need them than to need them and not have them"
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:56 AM, "Bill Brooks"
>>>> <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Another case of the difference between "when required" and "how to
>>>> do
>>> it".  The International Mechanical Code (2012) Sections 510 (Hazardous
>>> Exhaust Systems) and Section 511 (Dust, Stock and Refuse Conveying
>>> Systems) provide guidance on this.  Again, it shouldn't be up to a
>>> sprinkler contractor to figure out whether sprinklers should be
>>> installed but only to install per the appropriate standard.  As with
>>> most of these issues, we don't know if there is a design professional
>>> on this job or whether your regular customer has just installed a new
>>> process and has called you to do what's required.  At a minimum you
>>> should have a copy of the IMC which is enforced for this location.
>>>> 
>>>> So, someone (you??) must assess the installation per IMC Section
>>> 510/511  from end to end.  There is a suppression system reference in
>>> Section 510.7.  Some determination needs to be made as to whether the
>>> materials are "nonflammable and noncombustible under all conditions
>>> and at any concentration" then make the call on suppression.  The
>>> entire exhaust system must be engineered to meet the performance
>>> characteristics in the IMC.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course, local code amendments will govern as well as any local
>>>> AHJ,
>>> insurance requirements etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Sprinkler contractors have a long history of being the can-do guys,
>>>> with
>>> no good way to transfer scope responsibility to the right place.
>>>> 
>>>> Bill Brooks
>>>> 
>>>> William N. Brooks, P.E.
>>>> Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc.
>>>> 372 Wilett Drive
>>>> Severna Park, MD 21146-1904
>>>> 410-544-3620
>>>> 410-544-3032 FAX
>>>> 412-400-6528 Cell
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:
>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Dewayne
>>> Martinez
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 7:43 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: fume hood / dust collector - sprinklers in?
>>>> 
>>>> I have a job where they have a small furnace to create molten metal
>>>> for
>>> castings.  There is a hood (2x8ft) above the area where they take the
>>> used probes  and clean them off.  This duct work goes outside to a
>>> dust collector.  How do I determine if sprinklers are needed in the
>>> hood and ductwork?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Dewayne
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> Instructor
> Fire Protection Engineering Technology
> Bates Technical College
> 1101 So. Yakima Ave.
> Tacoma, WA 98405
> 
> [email protected]
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> http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/
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