Mark - well said. I totally agree. Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:29 PM, "Mark A. Sornsin, P.E." <masorn...@kfi-eng.com> > wrote: > > My two cents is that it is not only the potential stress to the sprinkler > from removal/replacement, but the potential for damage during handling. This > is especially true for QR sprinklers. > > From the EOR perspective, I have them replaced with new regardless of if it > could be kept in a drop. > > I understand there may be differing perspectives when you are in a > competitive bid that doesn't address the issue, or you have an owner griping > about every dollar spent. > > Mark A. Sornsin, P.E. | Karges-Faulconbridge, Inc. | Fire Protection Engineer > | Fargo, ND | direct: 701.552.9905 | mobile: 701.371.5759 | > http://www.kfiengineers.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of accentf...@aol.com > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 4:05 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Relocate sprinklers with drops RETORT > > Good afternoon, All: > > I thought a previous discussion revealed that currently IF the sprinkler > stays in the RC, weld-o-let, fitting, etc., then it can be reinstalled if > the sprinkler has not actually been removed from the original fitting/outlet. > I believe the concern was the amount of 'stress' applied to the sprinkler > when trying to remove it - and possible damage resulting from the 'torque'. > Previously, everyone seemed to be on board with this approach. > > Cordially- > > Jerry > _accentfire@aol.com_ (mailto:accentf...@aol.com) > > *Jerry D. Watts, SFPE > President & Co-Founder > ACCENT FIRE ENGINEERING INT'L. Ltd.** > Santa Fe, New Mexico USA > (800) 503.1961 nationwide > > *New Mexico Journeyman Sprinklerfitter Lic. #08228 > > **Licensed Fire Protection Engineers - Architects/Inspectors/Fire > Investigators: AZ CA CO NM NV NY TX UT KS MD MS > > > > In a message dated 2/6/2015 2:04:42 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > pe...@waynefire.com writes: > > Based on the 2nd draft, this is what the 2016 language will say unless it is > Successfully NITMAM ed > > 6.2.1.1* > When a sprinkler is removed from a fitting or welded outlet, it shall not be > reinstalled except as permitted by 6.2.1.1.1. > 6.2.1.1.1 > Dry sprinklers shall be permitted to be reinstalled when removed in > accordance with the manufacturer's installation and maintenance instructions. > > A.6.2.1.1 > Sprinklers should be permitted to be reinstalled when the sprinkler being > removed from the system remains attached to the original fitting or welded > outlet, provided care has been taken to ensure the sprinkler has not been > damaged. Flexible hose connections are considered a fitting. > In new installations, where sprinklers are installed on pendent drop nipples > or sidewall sprinklers prior to final cut-back, protective caps and/or > straps should remain in place until after the drop nipple has been cut to > fit to the final ceiling elevation. > > This is my opinion only and does not constitute the official opinion of the > NFPA. > > Peter Schwab > VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies > > Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. > 222 Capitol Court > Ocoee, Fl 34761 > > Mobile: (407) 468-8248 > Direct: (407) 877-5570 > Fax: (407) 656-8026 > > www.waynefire.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of michael > G > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:56 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Relocate sprinklers with drops > > I would have to agree with Richard, He is not pulling the head out of the > piping, the Boss of the sprinkler is taking no extra strain and there is no > extra stress added on the sprinkler head its self. Only the piping is being > removed, cut threaded and reinstalled. We basically do this when we install > a system.... > > We run the branch line, install a 0-2 and elbow, the drop and a head with > the support ring installed already, so that when we do our initial testing > for leaks, the drops are tested all the way to the sprinkler head. The > reason for this is, 1) to eliminate the number of potential leaks at the end > of the job while conducting the final pressure test. 2) if there is a bad > head or something wrong, i.e. cracked 1 x 1/2" RC, it is easier to change > it out then, instead of over finished floor and product. > > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Duane Johnson > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:44 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Relocate sprinklers with drops > > 6.2.1.1 (2013) When a sprinkler has been removed for any reason, it shall > not be reinstalled. > > > Duane Johnson > Strickland Fire Protection > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Richard Carr > Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 3:38 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Relocate sprinklers with drops > > If he is not pulling the head how is it a violation of NFPA? > > Richard Carr, SET > Branch Manager > Cox Fire Protection, Inc > 6555 Grace Lane. > Jacksonville, Fl. 32205 > rc...@coxfire.com > 904-781-8227 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Duane Johnson > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:29 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Relocate sprinklers with drops > > The problem is, you won't find this in the standard unless you print out > the ROC... > > > Duane Johnson > Strickland Fire Protection > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Duane Johnson > Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 3:28 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Relocate sprinklers with drops > > Not permitted. There was a proposal submitted on the last cycle to allow > this, but it was rejected. > > > Duane Johnson > Strickland Fire Protection > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Art Tiroly > Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 3:29 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Relocate sprinklers with drops > > I am having an argument with a contractor that is removing heads and drops > then moving them to a new position. Sprinklers are QR less than 5 years > old. > He is not removing the head from the drop or the 1x1/2 RC. He says he is > not reusing sprinklers just relocating them with the drop nipple. He says > this is standard practice. > Does this violate 6.2.1.1? 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