And Roland strikes with the mailed fist again.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Roland Huggins <[email protected]>
wrote:

> It just became a NON-ISSUE.  As you said, QR is required which is
> explicitly forbidden above drop-out ceilings.  Educate the architect and
> ask what other bright ideas they have to ruin your day.
>
> Roland
>
> Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
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> > On Apr 6, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Travis Mack <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > This is getting crazier as it goes along.  The building was originally
> designed as light hazard and to be offices only on the lower level.  Now
> they want to bring in a restaurant.  So, there are some issues with
> ordinary hazard coming in to play.
> >
> > Also, these ceiling tiles will be above the restaurant seating area
> which is light hazard, so we have to put QR in the area to be in compliance
> with NFPA 13.  The sprinkler contractor is trying to get them to forego the
> idea of the drop out ceilings.  It is still all in flux right now.
> >
> > Travis Mack, SET
> > MFP Design, LLC
> > 2508 E Lodgepole Drive
> > Gilbert, AZ 85298
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> > On 4/6/2015 9:10 AM, Roland Huggins wrote:
> >> I would not jump to the conclusion that you have to change to a higher
> temp rating.  Must confess, I’ve seen only one drop-out ceiling (well 80%
> drop-out since 8 or 10 standard ceiling tiles had been installed long after
> the initial installation) and this issue has never come up in the last 20
> years.
> >>
> >> Even at a slightly higher temp rating, the ceiling is still exposed
> first and not sure how much heat gets past it before it drops out.  Any
> idea what's the ceiling RTI rating - lol.
> >>
> >> What does the manufacturer data sheet say?  A quick search shows the UL
> certification is based on SR sprinklers with a 165 F rating.
> >>
> >> A bigger first question is what is the occupancy classification so as
> to ensure that SR sprinklers are acceptable.  Can not use QR or EC above
> these ceilings (13:8.15.15.2).
> >>
> >> Roland
> >>
> >>
> >> Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
> >> American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       ---      Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
> >> Dallas, TX
> >> http://www.firesprinkler.org <http://www.firesprinkler.org/> <
> http://www.firesprinkler.org/ <http://www.firesprinkler.org/>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Travis Mack <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone running into these things lately? How are you handling them?
> >>>
> >>> I have never really been a fan of these things. A customer has a job
> where the builder is wanting to use these tiles to eliminate the need for
> sprinklers at the ceiling. We did the shell space and there are 155 degree
> uprights at the deck. This is 1st floor of a 4 story building.
> >>>
> >>> The tiles are rated at 165f. The sprinklers will have to be changed to
> 200F so the sprinklers will activate after the tiles fall.
> >>>
> >>> What is your thoughts on these things?
> >>>
> >>> Travis Mack, SET
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