Did I lose track of this thread or weren't we talked about concealed spaces as defined by 13 regarding the need or not to install sprinklers? Hazardous concealed spaces would be a different animal altogether.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Norman Arendt <[email protected]> wrote: > Also for the type of work that installers do reference the following > document: OSHA3787 attics crl spaces.pdf available on the osha.gov > website. > > Norman Arendt, PhD, CFII, CMAS > Middleton Fire District Plan Reviewer and Investigator > Board Member ASSE/ASIS > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Arendt" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 2:42:04 PM > Subject: Re: Concealed Space Access definition > > > nother definition from OSHA > > If by limited access you mean "limited or restricted means for entry or > exit," the definition in the 1926 Subpart AA standard is "a condition that > has a potential to impede an employee’s movement into or out of a confined > space. Such conditions include, but are not limited to, trip hazards, poor > illumination, slippery floors, including surfaces and ladders. > > Norman Arendt, PhD, CFII, CMAS > Middleton Fire District Plan Reviewer and Investigator > Board Member ASSE/ASIS > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Arendt" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 2:11:22 PM > Subject: Re: Concealed Space Access definition > > in confined space useage we know intuitively what it means but what is the > definition. > > Norman Arendt, PhD, CFII, CMAS > Middleton Fire District Plan Reviewer and Investigator > Board Member ASSE/ASIS > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Arendt" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 1:55:58 PM > Subject: Re: Concealed Space Access definition > > from OSHA letter of a few years back > A space has limited or restricted means of entry or exit if an entrant's > ability to escape in an emergency would be hindered. The dimensions of a > door and its location are factors in determining whether an entrant can > easily escape; however, the presence of a door does not in and of itself > mean that the space is not a confined space. For example, a space such as a > bag house or crawl space that has a door leading into it, but also has > pipes, conduits, ducts, or equipment or materials that an employee would be > required to crawl over or under or squeeze around in order to escape, has > limited or restricted means of exit. A piece of equipment with an access > door, such as a conveyor feed, a drying oven, or a paint spray enclosure, > will also be considered to have restricted means of entry or exit if an > employee has to crawl to gain access to his or her intended work location. > Similarly, an access door or portal which is too small to allow an employee > to walk upright and unimpeded th > rough it will be considered to restrict an employee's ability to escape. > > > > > Norman Arendt, PhD, CFII, CMAS > Middleton Fire District Plan Reviewer and Investigator > Board Member ASSE/ASIS > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Huggins" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 1:41:13 PM > Subject: Re: Concealed Space Access definition > > That is a pretty good description. > > Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering > American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives > Dallas, TX > http://www.firesprinkler.org <http://www.firesprinkler.org/> > > > > > > > On Jun 19, 2015, at 11:32 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > Would you say this description is correct? "Limited access" A space > which is not accessible by simply opening a door and walking into it. It > can be accessed if necessary, just not by the general public or employees > at their normal work station. > > > > Mark at Aero > > 602 820-7894 > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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