I prefer the term "Puritan".    LMAO ...




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Roland Huggins
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:18 AM
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Subject: Re: Concealed Space Access definition

fundamentalist can be hard to deal with - lol.

The pont is that one could call it limited access but you are allowed to
have it (in other words, it does not have to be gypsum and being able to
get to the space is not a disqualifier - a bushism).  The driver for
omitting protection is the area not used for storage (not used in the
traditional warehouse sense) or use as an occupied space.

Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       ---      Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
Dallas, TX
http://www.firesprinkler.org <http://www.firesprinkler.org/>





> On Jun 19, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Steve Leyton
<[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> FUNDAMENTALLY disagree (with all due respect).   Accessible as in,
> accessible for occupancy or storage?   Or accessible as in, I can
stick
> my head up there.  The latter does NOT require sprinkler protection, 
> which I think is the point of this query.
> 
> SML
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> Roland Huggins
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:05 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Condealed Space Access definition
> 
> yes and yes
> 
> Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
> American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       ---      Fire Sprinklers Saves
Lives
> Dallas, TX
> http://www.firesprinkler.org <http://www.firesprinkler.org/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 10:52 AM, <[email protected]>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Happy Friday Forumites
>> I'm looking for clarification/definition for intent in NFPA 13 12010
> Edition section 8.15.1.2.2 Concealed spaces of noncombustible and 
> limited-combustible construction with limited access and not 
> permitting occupancy or storage of combustibles shall not require 
> sprinkler protection.
>> 
>> First question - Does the space above the suspended ceiling of an
> office occupancy, from the ceiling to the roof deck above meet the 
> definition of "concealed space"?
>> Second question- Does this same suspended ceiling (either acoustic
> tile or sheetrock tile) meet the definition of "limited access"?
>> 
>> Mark at Aero
>> 602 820-7894
>> 
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