Cue Instructor Extrodinare Greenman in... 3. . . 2 . . 1-------''' On Dec 16, 2015 5:05 PM, "Larry Keeping" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm not sure where the serious aspects of this thread left off and the > joking took over, but if someone tries to automatically drain condensate > from a system, particularly if there is a QOD involved), the effort could > very likely lead to a dry pipe valve actuation. > > My advice, drum drip or not, would be to never try to drain down a system > while it is in service. That's just asking for trouble. > > Larry Keeping > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Verhei > Sent: December-16-15 5:33 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Drum Drip Valve Guard > > Edit of my previous response. I would imagine that 0.25 to 0.50 seconds, > once daily would be adequate. Condensate is not draining so much as being > expelled by 25-40 psig system air. > > B. > > > On Dec 16, 2015, at 5:53 AM, Fairchild, Jack <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > I like it. Add some type of flow meter and do remote testing this way > as well? > > > > Jack Fairchild > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sprinklerforum > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > Bruce Verhei > > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 3:34 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Drum Drip Valve Guard > > > > Why not drain the water as it collects, instead of when someone opens > the valve. > > > > NC solenoid driven valve. 24VDC. 1/8"? Drive off 24v auxiliary power > circuit, through NC relay contacts. > > > > Four wire cable pulled near, and past, all low point drains. > > One wire pair is intelligent circuit, controlled by FACP. Other is the > 24VDC auxiliary power circuit, normally powered. Dropped at alarm. > > > > (Intelligent) relay control module connected to above four wire cable. > > > > Dry contacts on relay connected to solenoid. (If necessary add > > capacitive sub-circuit to power initial current spike at solenoid > > operation.) > > > > Provide programming option > > to direct all relay contact modules, and by inference, valves, in > sequence. > > > > Five seconds each round? > > Five rounds/day? > > Skew towards warmest time of day in coldest month. > > > > Orifice, frequency, duration arrived at by experimentation and > experience, or stronger powered engineering minds than mine. > > > > Orifice screened. > > > > Manual valve provided on horizontal connection on T. Use for initial > gross draining of dry system. > > > > Blow water out it builds up, drip by drip. Never have enough to freeze > and break fittings. Correct the problem instead of our colleague in Myrtle > Beach ordering 60 x 1" valves each fall. Take the plant maintenance person > out of the process. > > > > Best > > > > Bruce > > > >> On Dec 14, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Cut the problem in half by using half the valves, and none of those > >> fighting a losing battle by being closed? > >>> On Dec 14, 2015 4:21 PM, "Charles Thurston" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello Brad, > >>> > >>> We have enough trouble in this area getting the maint. guy to drain > >>> the ones with 2 valves they can reach and a hand tight plug in the > >>> bottom. IF we get 3 days below freezing and then a thaw, we will run > >>> 40-60 freeze break calls on the thaw day. > >>> > >>> That reminds me I need to place our annual order of 60- 1" valves. > >>> > >>> Monday, December 14, 2015, 3:43:29 PM, you wrote: > >>> > >>>> I still say we don't need two 1" globe valvles OR any 2" pipe to > >>>> make a Drum Drip. > >>>> How about a 1" globe at 7' AFF, then 6' of 1" down to a 1x1/2 red. > >>>> with > >>> a > >>>> 1/2" fairly easily removed plug? > >>>> In this way, most would-be tamperers would need a ladder and > >>>> wrench, and honest workers could use the one valve and one plug to > >>>> acomplish the same thing the picture of drum drips in 13 do. > >>> > >>>> Brad > >>>> On Dec 14, 2015 10:40 AM, "Jay Stough" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>>> AGF has a nice setup. We recently installed one of their heated > >>>>> drum > >>> drips > >>>>> where the installing contractor put the drum drip outside. Go to: > >>>>> http://www.testandrain.com/documents/products.html#collectandrain > >>> > >>>>> *Jay Stough* > >>>>> NICET IV LAYOUT > >>>>> NICET III ITM > >>> > >>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Gregory Lindholm > >>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>> > >>>>>> Has anybody seen where I could get a guard that would keep people > >>>>>> from tampering with drain valves I has seen something quite a few > >>>>>> years > >>> ago, > >>>>> but > >>>>>> cannot find out where now. > >>>>>> It does not matter if it attaches to the piping, then a lock > >>> installed on > >>>>>> that, or some type of cage attached to a wall, then a door on that. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Greg Lindholm > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin > >>> k > >>> ler.org > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin > >>> k > >>> ler.org > >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin > >>> k > >>> ler.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Best regards, > >>> Charles mailto:[email protected] > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin > >>> k > >>> ler.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprink > >> l > >> er.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > > er.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > > er.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
