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On Dec 16, 2015 5:05 PM, "Larry Keeping" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm not sure where the serious aspects of this thread left off and the
> joking took over, but if someone tries to automatically drain condensate
> from a system, particularly if there is a QOD involved), the effort could
> very likely  lead to a dry pipe valve actuation.
>
> My advice, drum drip or not, would be to never try to drain down a system
> while it is in service. That's just asking for trouble.
>
> Larry Keeping
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Verhei
> Sent: December-16-15 5:33 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Drum Drip Valve Guard
>
> Edit of my previous response. I would imagine that 0.25 to 0.50 seconds,
> once daily would be adequate. Condensate is not draining so much as being
> expelled by 25-40 psig system air.
>
> B.
>
> > On Dec 16, 2015, at 5:53 AM, Fairchild, Jack <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > I like it.  Add some type of flow meter and do remote testing this way
> as well?
> >
> > Jack Fairchild
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sprinklerforum
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> > Bruce Verhei
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 3:34 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Drum Drip Valve Guard
> >
> > Why not drain the water as it collects,  instead of when someone opens
> the valve.
> >
> > NC solenoid driven valve. 24VDC. 1/8"? Drive off 24v auxiliary power
> circuit, through NC relay contacts.
> >
> > Four wire cable pulled near, and past, all low point drains.
> > One wire pair is intelligent circuit, controlled by FACP. Other is the
> 24VDC auxiliary power circuit, normally powered. Dropped at alarm.
> >
> > (Intelligent) relay control module connected to above four wire cable.
> >
> > Dry contacts on relay connected to solenoid. (If necessary add
> > capacitive sub-circuit to power initial current spike at solenoid
> > operation.)
> >
> > Provide programming option
> > to direct all relay contact modules, and by inference, valves, in
> sequence.
> >
> > Five seconds each round?
> > Five rounds/day?
> > Skew towards warmest time of day in coldest month.
> >
> > Orifice, frequency, duration arrived at by experimentation and
> experience, or stronger powered engineering minds than mine.
> >
> > Orifice screened.
> >
> > Manual valve provided on horizontal connection on T. Use for initial
> gross draining of dry system.
> >
> > Blow water out it builds up, drip by drip. Never have enough to freeze
> and break fittings. Correct the problem instead of our colleague in Myrtle
> Beach ordering 60 x 1" valves each fall. Take the plant maintenance person
> out of the process.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >> On Dec 14, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Cut the problem in half by using half the valves, and none of those
> >> fighting a losing battle by being closed?
> >>> On Dec 14, 2015 4:21 PM, "Charles Thurston" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Brad,
> >>>
> >>> We have enough trouble in this area getting the maint. guy to drain
> >>> the ones with 2 valves they can reach and a hand tight plug in the
> >>> bottom. IF we get 3 days below freezing and then a thaw, we will run
> >>> 40-60 freeze break calls on the thaw day.
> >>>
> >>> That reminds me I need to place our annual order of 60- 1" valves.
> >>>
> >>> Monday, December 14, 2015, 3:43:29 PM, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I still say we don't need two 1" globe valvles OR any 2" pipe to
> >>>> make a Drum Drip.
> >>>> How about a 1" globe at 7' AFF,  then 6' of 1" down to a 1x1/2 red.
> >>>> with
> >>> a
> >>>> 1/2" fairly easily removed plug?
> >>>> In this way, most would-be tamperers would need a ladder and
> >>>> wrench, and honest workers could use the one valve and one plug to
> >>>> acomplish the same thing the picture of drum drips in 13 do.
> >>>
> >>>> Brad
> >>>> On Dec 14, 2015 10:40 AM, "Jay Stough" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> AGF has a nice setup.  We recently installed one of their heated
> >>>>> drum
> >>> drips
> >>>>> where the installing contractor put the drum drip outside.  Go to:
> >>>>> http://www.testandrain.com/documents/products.html#collectandrain
> >>>
> >>>>> *Jay Stough*
> >>>>> NICET IV LAYOUT
> >>>>> NICET III ITM
> >>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Gregory Lindholm
> >>>>> <[email protected]>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>> Has anybody seen where I could get a guard that would keep people
> >>>>>> from tampering with drain valves I has seen something quite a few
> >>>>>> years
> >>> ago,
> >>>>> but
> >>>>>> cannot find out where now.
> >>>>>> It does not matter if it attaches to the piping, then a lock
> >>> installed on
> >>>>>> that, or some type of cage attached to a wall, then a door on that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Greg Lindholm
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