(meawhile I just wanted to say the 1899 transcript of the tecnhical commitee re: drum drips was that they be 3 or 4", not 2. Google ' history of fire protection Shulte drum drip" and scroll down to 24 of 31, I think On Dec 16, 2015 6:00 PM, "Brad Casterline" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Cue Instructor Extrodinare Greenman in... > 3. . . > 2 . . > 1-------''' > On Dec 16, 2015 5:05 PM, "Larry Keeping" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm not sure where the serious aspects of this thread left off and the >> joking took over, but if someone tries to automatically drain condensate >> from a system, particularly if there is a QOD involved), the effort could >> very likely lead to a dry pipe valve actuation. >> >> My advice, drum drip or not, would be to never try to drain down a system >> while it is in service. That's just asking for trouble. >> >> Larry Keeping >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Verhei >> Sent: December-16-15 5:33 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Drum Drip Valve Guard >> >> Edit of my previous response. I would imagine that 0.25 to 0.50 seconds, >> once daily would be adequate. Condensate is not draining so much as being >> expelled by 25-40 psig system air. >> >> B. >> >> > On Dec 16, 2015, at 5:53 AM, Fairchild, Jack <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > I like it. Add some type of flow meter and do remote testing this way >> as well? >> > >> > Jack Fairchild >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Sprinklerforum >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> > Bruce Verhei >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 3:34 AM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: Drum Drip Valve Guard >> > >> > Why not drain the water as it collects, instead of when someone opens >> the valve. >> > >> > NC solenoid driven valve. 24VDC. 1/8"? Drive off 24v auxiliary power >> circuit, through NC relay contacts. >> > >> > Four wire cable pulled near, and past, all low point drains. >> > One wire pair is intelligent circuit, controlled by FACP. Other is the >> 24VDC auxiliary power circuit, normally powered. Dropped at alarm. >> > >> > (Intelligent) relay control module connected to above four wire cable. >> > >> > Dry contacts on relay connected to solenoid. (If necessary add >> > capacitive sub-circuit to power initial current spike at solenoid >> > operation.) >> > >> > Provide programming option >> > to direct all relay contact modules, and by inference, valves, in >> sequence. >> > >> > Five seconds each round? >> > Five rounds/day? >> > Skew towards warmest time of day in coldest month. >> > >> > Orifice, frequency, duration arrived at by experimentation and >> experience, or stronger powered engineering minds than mine. >> > >> > Orifice screened. >> > >> > Manual valve provided on horizontal connection on T. Use for initial >> gross draining of dry system. >> > >> > Blow water out it builds up, drip by drip. Never have enough to freeze >> and break fittings. Correct the problem instead of our colleague in Myrtle >> Beach ordering 60 x 1" valves each fall. Take the plant maintenance person >> out of the process. >> > >> > Best >> > >> > Bruce >> > >> >> On Dec 14, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Cut the problem in half by using half the valves, and none of those >> >> fighting a losing battle by being closed? >> >>> On Dec 14, 2015 4:21 PM, "Charles Thurston" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hello Brad, >> >>> >> >>> We have enough trouble in this area getting the maint. guy to drain >> >>> the ones with 2 valves they can reach and a hand tight plug in the >> >>> bottom. IF we get 3 days below freezing and then a thaw, we will run >> >>> 40-60 freeze break calls on the thaw day. >> >>> >> >>> That reminds me I need to place our annual order of 60- 1" valves. >> >>> >> >>> Monday, December 14, 2015, 3:43:29 PM, you wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> I still say we don't need two 1" globe valvles OR any 2" pipe to >> >>>> make a Drum Drip. >> >>>> How about a 1" globe at 7' AFF, then 6' of 1" down to a 1x1/2 red. >> >>>> with >> >>> a >> >>>> 1/2" fairly easily removed plug? >> >>>> In this way, most would-be tamperers would need a ladder and >> >>>> wrench, and honest workers could use the one valve and one plug to >> >>>> acomplish the same thing the picture of drum drips in 13 do. >> >>> >> >>>> Brad >> >>>> On Dec 14, 2015 10:40 AM, "Jay Stough" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>> AGF has a nice setup. We recently installed one of their heated >> >>>>> drum >> >>> drips >> >>>>> where the installing contractor put the drum drip outside. Go to: >> >>>>> http://www.testandrain.com/documents/products.html#collectandrain >> >>> >> >>>>> *Jay Stough* >> >>>>> NICET IV LAYOUT >> >>>>> NICET III ITM >> >>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Gregory Lindholm >> >>>>> <[email protected]> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>>> Has anybody seen where I could get a guard that would keep people >> >>>>>> from tampering with drain valves I has seen something quite a few >> >>>>>> years >> >>> ago, >> >>>>> but >> >>>>>> cannot find out where now. >> >>>>>> It does not matter if it attaches to the piping, then a lock >> >>> installed on >> >>>>>> that, or some type of cage attached to a wall, then a door on that. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Greg Lindholm >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> >>>>>> [email protected] >> >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin >> >>> k >> >>> ler.org >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> >>>>> [email protected] >> >>> >> >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin >> >>> k >> >>> ler.org >> >>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> >>>> [email protected] >> >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin >> >>> k >> >>> ler.org >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Best regards, >> >>> Charles mailto:[email protected] >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> >> >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin >> >>> k >> >>> ler.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprink >> >> l >> >> er.org >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sprinklerforum mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl >> > er.org >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sprinklerforum mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl >> > er.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
