(meawhile I just wanted to say the 1899 transcript of the tecnhical
commitee re: drum drips was that they be 3 or 4", not 2.
Google ' history of fire protection Shulte drum drip" and scroll down to 24
of 31, I think
On Dec 16, 2015 6:00 PM, "Brad Casterline" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Cue Instructor Extrodinare Greenman in...
> 3. . .
> 2 .    .
> 1-------'''
> On Dec 16, 2015 5:05 PM, "Larry Keeping" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure where the serious aspects of this thread left off and the
>> joking took over, but if someone tries to automatically drain condensate
>> from a system, particularly if there is a QOD involved), the effort could
>> very likely  lead to a dry pipe valve actuation.
>>
>> My advice, drum drip or not, would be to never try to drain down a system
>> while it is in service. That's just asking for trouble.
>>
>> Larry Keeping
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:
>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Verhei
>> Sent: December-16-15 5:33 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Drum Drip Valve Guard
>>
>> Edit of my previous response. I would imagine that 0.25 to 0.50 seconds,
>> once daily would be adequate. Condensate is not draining so much as being
>> expelled by 25-40 psig system air.
>>
>> B.
>>
>> > On Dec 16, 2015, at 5:53 AM, Fairchild, Jack <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I like it.  Add some type of flow meter and do remote testing this way
>> as well?
>> >
>> > Jack Fairchild
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Sprinklerforum
>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>> > Bruce Verhei
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 3:34 AM
>> > To: [email protected]
>> > Subject: Re: Drum Drip Valve Guard
>> >
>> > Why not drain the water as it collects,  instead of when someone opens
>> the valve.
>> >
>> > NC solenoid driven valve. 24VDC. 1/8"? Drive off 24v auxiliary power
>> circuit, through NC relay contacts.
>> >
>> > Four wire cable pulled near, and past, all low point drains.
>> > One wire pair is intelligent circuit, controlled by FACP. Other is the
>> 24VDC auxiliary power circuit, normally powered. Dropped at alarm.
>> >
>> > (Intelligent) relay control module connected to above four wire cable.
>> >
>> > Dry contacts on relay connected to solenoid. (If necessary add
>> > capacitive sub-circuit to power initial current spike at solenoid
>> > operation.)
>> >
>> > Provide programming option
>> > to direct all relay contact modules, and by inference, valves, in
>> sequence.
>> >
>> > Five seconds each round?
>> > Five rounds/day?
>> > Skew towards warmest time of day in coldest month.
>> >
>> > Orifice, frequency, duration arrived at by experimentation and
>> experience, or stronger powered engineering minds than mine.
>> >
>> > Orifice screened.
>> >
>> > Manual valve provided on horizontal connection on T. Use for initial
>> gross draining of dry system.
>> >
>> > Blow water out it builds up, drip by drip. Never have enough to freeze
>> and break fittings. Correct the problem instead of our colleague in Myrtle
>> Beach ordering 60 x 1" valves each fall. Take the plant maintenance person
>> out of the process.
>> >
>> > Best
>> >
>> > Bruce
>> >
>> >> On Dec 14, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Cut the problem in half by using half the valves, and none of those
>> >> fighting a losing battle by being closed?
>> >>> On Dec 14, 2015 4:21 PM, "Charles Thurston" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hello Brad,
>> >>>
>> >>> We have enough trouble in this area getting the maint. guy to drain
>> >>> the ones with 2 valves they can reach and a hand tight plug in the
>> >>> bottom. IF we get 3 days below freezing and then a thaw, we will run
>> >>> 40-60 freeze break calls on the thaw day.
>> >>>
>> >>> That reminds me I need to place our annual order of 60- 1" valves.
>> >>>
>> >>> Monday, December 14, 2015, 3:43:29 PM, you wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I still say we don't need two 1" globe valvles OR any 2" pipe to
>> >>>> make a Drum Drip.
>> >>>> How about a 1" globe at 7' AFF,  then 6' of 1" down to a 1x1/2 red.
>> >>>> with
>> >>> a
>> >>>> 1/2" fairly easily removed plug?
>> >>>> In this way, most would-be tamperers would need a ladder and
>> >>>> wrench, and honest workers could use the one valve and one plug to
>> >>>> acomplish the same thing the picture of drum drips in 13 do.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Brad
>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2015 10:40 AM, "Jay Stough" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>> AGF has a nice setup.  We recently installed one of their heated
>> >>>>> drum
>> >>> drips
>> >>>>> where the installing contractor put the drum drip outside.  Go to:
>> >>>>> http://www.testandrain.com/documents/products.html#collectandrain
>> >>>
>> >>>>> *Jay Stough*
>> >>>>> NICET IV LAYOUT
>> >>>>> NICET III ITM
>> >>>
>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Gregory Lindholm
>> >>>>> <[email protected]>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Has anybody seen where I could get a guard that would keep people
>> >>>>>> from tampering with drain valves I has seen something quite a few
>> >>>>>> years
>> >>> ago,
>> >>>>> but
>> >>>>>> cannot find out where now.
>> >>>>>> It does not matter if it attaches to the piping, then a lock
>> >>> installed on
>> >>>>>> that, or some type of cage attached to a wall, then a door on that.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Greg Lindholm
>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list
>> >>>>>> [email protected]
>> >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin
>> >>> k
>> >>> ler.org
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list
>> >>>>> [email protected]
>> >>>
>> >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin
>> >>> k
>> >>> ler.org
>> >>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list
>> >>>> [email protected]
>> >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin
>> >>> k
>> >>> ler.org
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Best regards,
>> >>> Charles                            mailto:[email protected]
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list
>> >>> [email protected]
>> >>>
>> >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin
>> >>> k
>> >>> ler.org
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Sprinklerforum mailing list
>> >> [email protected]
>> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprink
>> >> l
>> >> er.org
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sprinklerforum mailing list
>> > [email protected]
>> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl
>> > er.org
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sprinklerforum mailing list
>> > [email protected]
>> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl
>> > er.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sprinklerforum mailing list
>> [email protected]
>>
>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sprinklerforum mailing list
>> [email protected]
>>
>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
>>
>
_______________________________________________
Sprinklerforum mailing list
[email protected]
http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org

Reply via email to