Steve is correct.  A simple 151@0 to 150@1000 (or 1250) supply line,
regardless of city supply flow unless of course you can't supply the pumper
with 1000 or 1250 gpm supply.  The reason for the 150 psi demand pressure is
the system is hydro'd to 200.  You can use the two (2) uppermost FDV's on
the HMD standpipe flowing 250 each for the standpipe required flow of 500
and then the uppermost FDV on each remaining standpipe at 250 each to a max
of 1000 for a sprinklered building or 1250 for partially or a
non-sprinklered building.  All flows must have a minimum residual of 100 psi
but I do what Steve says and shoot for 105.  You can use K factors of 25 and
50 at the minimum residual of 105 to make your standpipe calc's easier and
the FDC is the supply point.  Remember not to calc a hole in the pipe but to
include the tee, nipple and valve.
TD


Tony:

You (or the submitter) are over-simplifying what the annex says.  It's not
the intent that you take the city flow test and add it to the pumper curve.
NFPA 1901 sets the basic performance curve for a pumper at 150 PSI/1,000
GPM.   NFPA 13E is the standard for FD Operations for buildings equipped
with sprinklers and standpipes - that standard goes into the company
engineer's procedure for calculating the discharge pressure of the pump
based on suction pressure, friction loss in hose and other variables.   But
the bottom line is that it's all targeted at discharging 150 PSI residual at
1,000 GPM.   This has NOTHING to do with pressure at the FDC; it has to do
with calculating the performance of the apparatus.   What gets to the FDC is
up to the engineer.

Which is why 7.7.4 states, "When the system demand to be supplied by the
fire department at the fire department connection is being determined, the
local fire department shall be consulted regarding the water supply
available from a fire department pumper."    FROM A FIRE DEPARTMENT PUMPER.
It's up to the incident commander and his or her engineer to determine the
suction pressure and set their discharge to whatever is required to make
their programmed starting pressure.  And based on the nationwide standard
and best practices, that is almost certain to be 150 PSI at the prescribed
flow rate.  The engineer will calculate the friction loss in the discharge
hose that's connected to the building.  If you are reviewing plans that show
150 PSI residual plus a positive suction head at that flow rate as the inlet
pressure, then that is almost certainly not correct.    

To answer your question, if I have a building with two (750 GPM) or three or
more (1,000 GPM) standpipes, we plug in a "flow test" static pressure of 151
PSI and a residual of 150 PSI at the target flow rate and we run the calc'
using the FDC as the "city connection".    We plug in a 500 PSI hose stream
allowance at the most remote standpipe outlets and at 250 GPM hose streams
at those points in the bulk main system where the other risers take off.  We
allow 5 PSI for loss in a standard hose valve so the minimum pressure at any
node is 105 PSI.   

The foregoing is my opinion only and does not represent the opinion of or
any manner of interpretation by NFPA or the Technical Committee on
Standpipes.

Steve Leyton


Quick question: I'm reviewing some plans for a manual class I standpipe and
the designer added the city flow test to the usual 1000gpm fire pumper curve
in order to keep all the pipe down to 4". I see in the NFPA 14 appendix that
you can do this but personally I've always just calculated solely to the
pumper curve. How do you guys do it?

Also, I'm assuming that if you do factor in city supply wouldn't that
frequently require high pressure pipe and fittings depending on city supply
psi?

_TONY 


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