When I was contracting, most of the companies I worked for (back in the good 
ol' days) had one or more backhoes and we did all of our own undergrounds.    
That's probably why I push on my clients to let our firm do the private site 
fire improvements, because we're way better at it than civil.   In fact, site 
fire improvements are a pretty big part of our practice and we generally pick 
up from civil at the property line, which is where I've grown to think the POC 
should be when it comes to civil.  (We also detail a lot of hot taps but some 
cities and water agencies don't allow that.)

To this day, whenever I'm asked how much it costs for a sprinkler contractor to 
install the 5'-0 of transitional underground, my visceral response is, 
"Depending on pipe size, up to $2,500 in material and at least 3 cases of beer."

-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of James Crawford
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 1:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: UG 5 ft outside building

In our area some of the civil contractors use installers that do not have a 
plumbing TQ so are not allowed to install any piping inside a building and as 
such stop 3'-0" outside the building and the plumber or sprinkler contractor 
has to install the last 5'-0" of pipe and the riser. Always a pain as the 
general contractor needs the last piece installed so they can pour the floor or 
footings.



Thank you


James Crawford
Phaser Fire Protection Ltd.
Phone  604-888-0318
Fax 604-888-4732
Cel 604-790-0938
Email  [email protected]



-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 1:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: UG 5 ft outside building

Is there a rational explanation why the sprinkler contractor should bring in 
the last piece of underground from 5 ft outside the building?

Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT
860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-608-4559 (cell)
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