No, no that's not the spirit of my comment. I just chose yours for response because it was the most recent but the implication was that this is being over thought. The question perhaps should be, "Is a screen porch a room?" Is "Porch" a defined term in the IRC or the sprinkler standard? Apologies if my comment seemed gruff - it was not meant to be. Post away ...
SL From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design Inc. Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 8:41 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: 13D Porches I was just wanting to help out. Since I have designed to 13R and 13D and once submitted they rejected saying that although it met 13R or 13D but not IBC. Sorry for trying to help. I'll just read what the experts post and keep my opinion to myself. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: November-07-16 11:27 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: 13D Porches What am I missing here? The question is whether 13D (that's "Thirteen Dee") requires sprinklers in porches and we've got a thread that's turning toward the IBC. If the dwelling(s) in question are being built per the IBC then I don't think 13D would be the correct standard in the first place. SL From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design Inc. Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 8:18 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: 13D Porches CHECK IBC. I THINK IT WILL REQUIRE THEM. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins Sent: November-07-16 11:10 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: Re: 13D Porches I would say OPEN is to the temperature, not the bugs. Also look at it from the potential to flash-over. The screen will not hold in the heat. Now have that discussion with the AHJ. The TC member caveat - Not to be considered a formal interpretation of NFPA Roland Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org<http://www.firesprinkler.org/> On Nov 6, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Todd Williams <fpdcdes...@gmail.com<mailto:fpdcdes...@gmail.com>> wrote: [https://tr.cloudmagic.com/h/v6/emailtag/tag/1478480303/2d4c4b9cd9f303a04c4d9c24d32f6571/ecdd64c309bb34b23eb65c654267bfff/4320b82257e7b25d61f3e788b5efb003/9efab2399c7c560b34de477b9aa0a465/ufo.gif] NFPA 13D allows for exclusion of sprinklers in open attached porches. Does screening count as an enclosure? Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-608-4559 (cell) via Newton Mail<https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=ti&cv=9.2.5&pv=10.1.1&source=email_footer_2> _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
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