Ron Do you move down the flow curve for the municipal water system to account for concurrent hose stream use?
Best Bruce Verhei > On Jan 27, 2017, at 13:36, Dale Wingard <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks everyone. I just thought that it was always an acceptable practice. > > The situation is I have a new owner of a warehouse with an existing ground > tank and pump house. We will be replacing the pump. The tank is only 3000 > gallons short of the largest system demand plus the outside hose times the > duration requirement. The city supply to the tank will be more than able to > make up the difference. The underwriter is saying that the “reliable > automatic refill” cannot be considered. > > I was wanting to show proof that it was acceptable prior to the 2013 edition. > > > > <image001.jpg> > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of rongreenman . > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 3:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Tank Capacity > > It was in one edition of 13R wayback when. I don't think it had ever been > "allowed" by 22 until recently but it only makes sense. Now define reliable > refill rate for this application emphasizing reliable. > On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:48 PM Brad Casterline <[email protected]> > wrote: > Requirements for break tanks were added NFPA 20 (2007), according to page > 20-2. > > Brad > > On Jan 27, 2017 2:41 PM, "Mike B Morey" <[email protected]> wrote: > The earliest reference I can find is NFPA 25 2007 in section 5.30, it has > moved around since, but as others have pointed out, it's defined in there as > a break tank. > > > > Mike Morey > CFPS 3229 • NICET S.E.T. 123677 > Project Manager • Fire Protection Group > Shambaugh & Son, LP an EMCOR Company > 7614 Opportunity Drive • Fort Wayne, IN • 46825 > direct 260.487.7824 / cell 260.417.0625 / fax 260.487.7991 > email [email protected] > > <image002.jpg> > > > > > > From: Dale Wingard <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Date: 01/27/2017 02:52 PM > Subject: Tank Capacity > Sent by: "Sprinklerforum" > <[email protected]> > > > > NFPA 22 (2013 Edition) excerpt- > > 4.1.4 A tank shall be sized so that the stored supply plus reliable automatic > refill shall be sufficient to meet the demand placed upon it for the design > duration. > > I have researched earlier editions but I have not been able to find where the > reliable automatic refill has been previously allowed; however, I recall this > being the case. Am I overlooking something? > > Thanks, > > > <image001.jpg> > [attachment "Dale Wingard SET.vcf" deleted by Mike B > Morey/Shambaugh/EMCORGROUP] _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.firesprinkler.org_listinfo.cgi_sprinklerforum-2Dfiresprinkler.org&d=DwICAg&c=GKdB6-XpYq_0W-WluyVHtw&r=z4t2hrRBa-JsS06T4X_uuYOSJoclVWgSRO8Nq6TDdsg&m=ZIlAYkYGG--WYErIebjpFDdfGghXLB-667jMo2EgODU&s=qOSLfkv2O4_vGbMHmTDjJ1Ouas46DTZW6qD5O1rpvcc&e= > > This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, > proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or > privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this > message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your > system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, > directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of > this message if you are not the intended recipient. > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > <Dale Wingard SET.vcf> > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
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