Steve and Todd,

 

The sentence that you quote continues with "...except where sprinklers are not 
required to be installed by 8.15.1.2.1 through 8.15.1.2.1 through 
8.15.1.2.18...".  Then, in article 8.15.1.2.1, we have "Concealed spaces of 
noncombustible and limited-combustible construction with minimal combustible 
loading having no access shall not require sprinkler protection." 

 

The concealed space in this project meets all of these conditions, but only if 
the roof deck qualifies as "limited-combustible construction".  So, it appears 
to me that we do have to split hairs and determine if this assembly meets the 
definition of limited-combustible construction.  Please note also that 
8.15.1.2.12 permits "exposed combustible insulation where the heat 
content...does not exceed 1000 Btu/ft2.", so the fact that we have a continuous 
flat surface does not by itself force us to install sprinklers.  The main 
criteria appears to be the heat content of the material, which is not always 
easy to determine.  

 

I probably will wind up requiring sprinklers in this space, but I wanted to 
have a specific article to back up that decision.

 

Thanks for your responses.

 

David Bitton

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 9:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: RE: Built-up roof deck as a limited-combustible construction

 

I agree with Todd.  The standard says, “Concealed spaces of exposed combustible 
construction shall be protected …”

This trumps the subjective hair splitting with regard to what constitutes 
limited combustible construction and to what extent combustible material might 
be allowed in limited amounts.  You have one entire and continuous surface that 
encapsulates the concealed space(s) in question; that’s not limited, IMHO.

 

Steve L.

 

 

 

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 4:07 PM
To: Sprinklerforum
Subject: Re: RE: Built-up roof deck as a limited-combustible construction

 

I think the term Limited Combustible is purposely vague. Personally, I would 
think this is not limited since it covers the entire flat space and there is 
continuity. If a fire did get into that space, it could run over the entire 
structure with no good way for the fire department to fight it. 

 

What a local authority or insurance company would say is something else. You 
probably should consult with them.


Todd G Williams, PE

Fire Protection Design/Consulting

Stonington, CT

860-535-2080 (ofc)

860-553-3553 (fax)

860-608-4559 (cell)





On Mar 10, 2017 at 5:47 PM, <David Bitton <mailto:[email protected]> 
> wrote:

Yes, it is a flat roof, built in 1973.  I have no doubt that it will burn, and 
I am classifying it as a combustible roof.  (I know about the fire at the GM 
plant in Livonia.)  My question is more along the line of: Can a noncombustible 
structure built on top of a typical built-up roof deck with combustible 
insulation meet NFPA 13's definition of "Limited-combustible construction"?

 

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Art Tiroly
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 5:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Built-up roof deck as a limited-combustible construction

 

Is it a flat roof?

Is it covered with gravel or stone?

If it is built of felt paper and asphalt/tar it will burn.

 

Art Tiroly

ATCO Fire Protection/Tiroly

24400 Highland Rd CLE 44143

216-621-8899

216-570-7030 cell

 

 

 

 

 

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of David Bitton
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 4:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Built-up roof deck as a limited-combustible construction

 

Hello,

 

I have a 35 ft high building being built adjacent to a 22 ft high building 
which has a built-up, insulated metal deck roof. The structural engineer has 
devised a sloped "snow shed" between the addition and the lower building in 
order to distribute the increased snow load at this juncture.  This will create 
an inaccessible concealed space on the roof which will be of noncombustible 
construction, with the exception of its base, which will be the built-up metal 
deck roof of the existing building.  Would you consider this as meeting the 
definition of "limited combustible construction", meaning that the space would 
not require sprinkler protection?

 

David Bitton, ing./Eng.


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