I believe this is mostly political Tom Foolery and to some degree civil extortion (effort to overburden with useless costs and taxes) and provides very little to no actual additional life or property safety. Change the plant from MJ to Tomatoes and these facilities have existed all over the southwest and some other parts of the country for years , and I will give you odds not a single one was ever required to provide such a level of information or protection. Any takers? Just sayin’
Mark at Aero 602 820-7894 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Paulsen Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Grow Facilities This industry never ceases to find new ways to keep us challenged. Until this string came across the forums, I was completely ignorant that these facilities existed. A quick search on-line (thank you Google) clued me into what an “MJ” facility was and subsequent articles that I found mentioned that Colorado was requiring certification letters stamped by a PE evaluating the heat loads, (lamps) gas hazards (CO2, Butane Etc.) and building mechanical systems including the sprinkler system design density. I assume this is due to the wide range of potential hazards from growing, extraction, or sales operations. Now that I’ve seen this discussion and read some of the material associated with this issue, it amazes me more people weren’t killed in clandestine illegal grow and extraction operations. Whether you’re for or against legalization of “MJ”, at least when it’s legal, the grow operations are much safer places than the illegal ones. One odd thing though. This topic really seemed to peak my 20 something design trainee’s interest. Strange! John P. Crown Fire Systems Design From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:10 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Grow Facilities Interesting timing. The latest FPC magazine came in the mail today. It has an article on a grow facility. They used the basis of a tobacco facility to arrive at OH2. This was for a facility in CO. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC 2508 E Lodgepole Drive Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271 fax: 866-430-6107 email:[email protected]<mailto:email:[email protected]> http://www.mfpdesign.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack On 5/31/2017 1:58 PM, AKS-Gmail-IMAP wrote: It sounds like a reasonable request, but not on your nickel. The CO2 enrichment may have no impact unless the grow design involves some sort of CO2 containment tent that interferes with the sprinkler discharge. The flammable liquids/gases is about the solvents or say, propane, that is used to extract the THC. That is not a “grow” operation but may likely be a process they do on site. One might do some checking to see if OH2 is OK but it is probably not. Perhaps the "hazardous waste” mention is in regard to someone questioning whether or not there would be a quantity of THC laden sprinkler water that needs to be contained instead of allowed to discharge to the environment. Maybe the leaf removal process that happens in the last grow step to encourage bud growth generates enough “waste” stored on site to be of concern. By the way, there is a very good chance the ceiling temperature above the grow lighting is much hotter than you might expect. Furthermore, if the ventilation system fails for some reason and the lighting is not automatically turned off, then all bets are off. You might also take note if the lighting design tries to congregate the lighting ballasts at some unexpected location that creates an odd situation. Allan Seidel St. Louis, MO On May 31, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Travis Mack, SET <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: That note comes from the plan reviewer. My firm was hired to design to OH2. But it got rejected by the AHJ and had that note on the rejection. My scope was well defined and this is way out of the scope. So I was just wondering what others have encountered in these facilities. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC 2508 E Lodgepole Drive Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271 fax: 866-430-6107 email:[email protected]<mailto:email:[email protected]> http://www.mfpdesign.com<http://www.mfpdesign.com/> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack On 5/31/2017 12:49 PM, Prahl, Craig/GVL wrote: Where does that note come from? The AHJ or owner or Engineer of Record? Either way that info should be provided by the Engineer of Record to the installing contractor to be included in submittals to the AHJ. I would certainly hope an Engineer is not dumping this off on the installing contractor. Craig L. Prahl Fire Protection Group Lead/SME CH2M 200 Verdae Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 Direct - 864.920.7540 Fax - 864.920.7129 CH2MHILL Extension 77540 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:34 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Grow Facilities [EXTERNAL] This is obviously outside of our scope and I am punting this back up the chain. But, has anyone that is sprinklering these MJ facilties run into this: "Provide a letter from a state licensed PE or Consulting Firm approved by the City of XXXXXXX, that supports the fire sprinkler design assumptions. The letter shall be signed (wet) and address the design assumptions that includes the use of CO2 enrichment, flammable liquids/gasses, and hazardous waste and the impact that includes the overall Heat Release Rate (HRR) and the ability of the fire sprinkler system to suppress a fire. Reference 2016 state fire code section xxx.x.x" I used xxx to block out any reference to the particular project. Any ideas on this stuff. We were hired to just design the system per OH2. 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