Yeah, see that's the thing this project is not your normal simple COSCO or Motel 6 job. More like a quasi-government project with specialty systems with unique requirements drives doing a design and calc before you select this pump.
Regardless of this situation, I am not signing off on any pump selection until it's been proven to meet the system design criteria. Once I've signed off, it's considered approved and if it turns out to be wrong, the fingers will point back to my approval. Thanks for the insight. Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Sean.VanGaal via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 1:18 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Sean.VanGaal <svang...@aerofire.com> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Submittal Packages Craig, I don't think it is as black/white as you make it sound. Sizing a fire pump for a project that is non-high rise and sprinklers only (no standpipes) is not complicated once you have the water supply info. Almost all designers who are experienced enough to design a fire pump are probably experienced enough to estimate a system water demand for their system. Worst case scenario of Density x Base remote area size + some overages. ESFR sprinkler flow x 12 plus some overages. If you have hose station figure inside hose, otherwise hoses don't affect the pump. Those ballpark calculations give you the demand flow of the pump. Then if you have your water supply results, you know your finished floor elevation relative to you flow test, and you know the maximum pressure of your system (175?), then you can easily size a pump to not churn over your maximum pressure. You can get material cuts from your vendor, send them in for approval and electrical verification, and order the pump. Then on the back end you design the pipe sizes for your sprinkler system to match the pump you are installing. Some warehouse projects have extremely fast schedules. Sprinkler contractors are not brought in early enough in some cases. So we need to order a fire pump early so it shows up in time and the owner is barking at us that every day his building isn't open he is losing thousands of dollars. By ordering the pump early you save project schedule as your lead time is being spent performing the sprinkler design rather than pushing everything to the end. Now, where I do partially agree is if you have a high-rise or standpipe system. Then you need to perform some piping layout and calculations to properly size your fire pump to get the appropriate pressure up to the roof. However these again, you don't need to wait until the whole building is fully designed. You design your highest demand system (typically standpipe calc at the roof), then determine the pump size accordingly based on your water supply info. A high rise building could take over a year from design award to completion, but you can have the fire pump sized and out for approval within a week or two. Now this scenario is typically more complex with a lot of moving pieces, so it is normally submitted all in one package. But the warehouse scenario I outlined above should be perfectly reasonable to size your pump the day you get the job. I do not recommend ordering a pump without some sort of approval from the Architect and/or their Engineer. I am only pointing out that in some cases you should be able to get this info in front of them early with high level of confidence that there will not be any changes even though you haven't drawn a single sprinkler or pipe. My opinion only. Thanks, Sean VG -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Kevin Hall via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 9:56 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Kevin Hall <kh...@firesprinkler.org> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Submittal Packages The water supply is the responsibility of the owner/owner’s agent (Engineer of record). That includes the fire pump sizing. As the engineer of record, it would be up to you to use your engineering judgement to size an appropriate fire pump to supply the system. You can’t wait until the system is layed out to pick a pump. The contractor should not be making that determination unless they want to assume the risk of the EOR. Look at the requirements for the owners certificate. All that should be provided to the installing contractor before they can begin their work. On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:39 PM Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > You cannot select a fire pump when no water flow test has been done, > you don’t have anything designed and you only have preliminary > selection information. Not happening on my watch. > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 > | craig.pr...@jacobs.com<mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> | > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jacobs.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=wn3mZQLIuInh2ClcJ0_DIA&r=XSIweKhAHHhyB-d63TCLaTQ55VHpbhIhFOxEPFjbNpg&m=zx0bFeqY6zhw5iY7qw3gCbVCIz7a6UT7LKNsH0ZvAOo&s=4TcxLdRu_sRx6O_jDENfjkj5suSe9ZRqhVN7ix8kCKc&e= > < > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jacobs.com_&d=DwIGaQ&c=wn3mZQLIuInh2ClcJ0_DIA&r=XSIweKhAHHhyB-d63TCLaTQ55VHpbhIhFOxEPFjbNpg&m=zx0bFeqY6zhw5iY7qw3gCbVCIz7a6UT7LKNsH0ZvAOo&s=sDrOte77HHuJEXJI6WZvXLjbP5WopARdF-z-U-a1eiQ&e= > > > 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 > > From: John Denhardt <jdenha...@firesprinkler.org> > Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 12:11 PM > To: Hinson, Ryan <rhin...@burnsmcd.com> > Cc: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org; Prahl, Craig/GVL < > craig.pr...@jacobs.com> > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Submittal Packages > > Agree however, long lead items like fire pump systems might need to be > released early to meet project schedules. > > Thanks, > John > > [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_ > s_g4h8r7hdtsr6154_AFSA-5FL.png-3Fraw-3D1&d=DwIGaQ&c=wn3mZQLIuInh2ClcJ0 > _DIA&r=XSIweKhAHHhyB-d63TCLaTQ55VHpbhIhFOxEPFjbNpg&m=zx0bFeqY6zhw5iY7q > w3gCbVCIz7a6UT7LKNsH0ZvAOo&s=gi-Ba8FNfPfUsHNMboxxXzXTl-SViRMf0QISCuFI6 > YY&e= ] John August Denhardt, PE Vice President, Engineering and > Technical Services American Fire Sprinkler Association > m: p: > 301-343-1457 > 214-349-5965 ext 121 > w: > firesprinkler.org< > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/firesprinkler.org__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg > !S5UQwTrw04donSOyX3o9ixqH1mdPsCfHe5uqF5z98aKbUxsJIRs0sYMvEVqICIpuRg$ > > > [ > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cdn2.hubspot.net_h > ubfs_184235_dev-5Fimages_signature-5Fapp_facebook-5Fsig.png&d=DwIGaQ&c > =wn3mZQLIuInh2ClcJ0_DIA&r=XSIweKhAHHhyB-d63TCLaTQ55VHpbhIhFOxEPFjbNpg& > m=zx0bFeqY6zhw5iY7qw3gCbVCIz7a6UT7LKNsH0ZvAOo&s=n3qgw5e00wzBphYmAWg6Sz > EVinI9HUQ9bSZuFWd05Hk&e= > ]< > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/ > __;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!S5UQwTrw04donSOyX3o9ixqH1mdPsCfHe5uqF5z98aKbUxsJIR > s0sYMvEVqs4BZvmQ$> > [ > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cdn2.hubspot.net_h > ubfs_184235_dev-5Fimages_signature-5Fapp_twitter-5Fsig.png&d=DwIGaQ&c= > wn3mZQLIuInh2ClcJ0_DIA&r=XSIweKhAHHhyB-d63TCLaTQ55VHpbhIhFOxEPFjbNpg&m > =zx0bFeqY6zhw5iY7qw3gCbVCIz7a6UT7LKNsH0ZvAOo&s=QupAw4lCVlSVavoV64nIMQj > jVR1HnGHvhm9rpaL8i3w&e= ] < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/twitter.com/afsa/status/10395283453 > 67732224__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!S5UQwTrw04donSOyX3o9ixqH1mdPsCfHe5uqF5z98a > KbUxsJIRs0sYMvEVoWx9VO1A$> > [ > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cdn2.hubspot.net_h > ubfs_184235_dev-5Fimages_signature-5Fapp_linkedin-5Fsig.png&d=DwIGaQ&c > =wn3mZQLIuInh2ClcJ0_DIA&r=XSIweKhAHHhyB-d63TCLaTQ55VHpbhIhFOxEPFjbNpg& > m=zx0bFeqY6zhw5iY7qw3gCbVCIz7a6UT7LKNsH0ZvAOo&s=SzNIFxIHOys97S34rP2Q8H > ZPx7swfLoLA3D3QkY--Sg&e= ] < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/company/american-f > ire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!S5UQwTrw04donSOyX3 > o9ixqH1mdPsCfHe5uqF5z98aKbUxsJIRs0sYMvEVpRsoTjNQ$> > [ > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cdn2.hubspot.net_h > ubfs_184235_dev-5Fimages_signature-5Fapp_instagram-5Fsig.png&d=DwIGaQ& > c=wn3mZQLIuInh2ClcJ0_DIA&r=XSIweKhAHHhyB-d63TCLaTQ55VHpbhIhFOxEPFjbNpg > &m=zx0bFeqY6zhw5iY7qw3gCbVCIz7a6UT7LKNsH0ZvAOo&s=Yo4YC1iERC7enrmCnQYmG > ZhIweE6KSVlT8AUurGzGOQ&e= ] < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/ > __;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!S5UQwTrw04donSOyX3o9ixqH1mdPsCfHe5uqF5z98aKbUxsJIR > s0sYMvEVrJjynI2Q$ > > > Our members are at the heart of everything we do. > Don’t miss another issue! > Sign up to get your exclusive copy of the industry’s leading > membership magazine Sprinkler Age delivered straight to your mailbox, inbox, > or both! > Subscribe< > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/sprinklerage.com/subscribe/__;!!B5c > ixuoO7ltTeg!S5UQwTrw04donSOyX3o9ixqH1mdPsCfHe5uqF5z98aKbUxsJIRs0sYMvEV > qu7AWLHQ$> now to get the latest information you need to know and > never miss another issue. > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Hinson, Ryan <rhin...@burnsmcd.com<mailto: > rhin...@burnsmcd.com>> wrote: > It's very difficult to efficiently review a project when submittals > come in piecemeal. Inevitably, things get missed and resubmittals of > such partial submittals only complicate matters. Though there are > always exceptions, we require complete (re)submittals with shop > drawings complying with NFPA working plans requirements, quality > annotated cutsheets clearly indicating any selected/elected options, > along with the hydraulic calculations in accordance with NFPA hydraulic > calculation procedures. > Incomplete submittals are rejected without review. We also require > each review comment of a submittal to be addressed in a returned > written response letter accompanying the resubmittal. > > We've had success when this is stated up front in bid documents and > plan review generally goes much quicker and with less headache. > > Ryan L. Hinson, PE*, SET** \ Burns & McDonnell Senior Fire > Protection Engineer O 952-656-3662 \ M 763-688-4045 \ F 952-229-2923 > rhin...@burnsmcd.com<mailto:rhin...@burnsmcd.com> \ burnsmcd.com< > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/burnsmcd.com__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!S5UQ > wTrw04donSOyX3o9ixqH1mdPsCfHe5uqF5z98aKbUxsJIRs0sYMvEVomaeod3w$ > > > 8201 Norman Center Drive, Suite 500 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.google.com_m > aps_search_8201-2BNorman-2BCenter-2BDrive-2C-2BSuite-2B500-3Fentry-3Dg > mail-26source-3Dg&d=DwIGaQ&c=wn3mZQLIuInh2ClcJ0_DIA&r=XSIweKhAHHhyB-d6 > 3TCLaTQ55VHpbhIhFOxEPFjbNpg&m=zx0bFeqY6zhw5iY7qw3gCbVCIz7a6UT7LKNsH0Zv > AOo&s=9tVIQ169MbLVdWDB6jO0gqKRPebIkv3xtxnMbsU2E6o&e= > \ > Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN 55437 *Registered in: LA, MD, MN, PA, TX, & > UT **NICET IV - Water-Based Systems Layout > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > <mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of > Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:41 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto: > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Cc: Prahl, Craig/GVL > <craig.pr...@jacobs.com<mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com>>; > John Denhardt <jdenha...@firesprinkler.org<mailto: > jdenha...@firesprinkler.org>> > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Submittal Packages > > John, I have that requirement in big bold letters in several places > in the specs but have had a contractor ask to submit components > including the fire pump even before the first pipe has been placed on a > drawing. > > I was told this is how they've been doing it for decades. Just wanted > to see what the industry consensus was. > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 > | craig.pr...@jacobs.com<mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> | > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam05.safelinks.p > rotection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fwww.jacobs.com-252F- > 26amp-3Bdata-3D02-257C01-257Crhinson-2540burnsmcd.com-257C5ca87af7c382 > 44f427b108d86ba08957-257Cbfbb9a2b6d994e78b3c795005d555c8b-257C0-257C1- > 257C637377684527248653-26amp-3Bsdata-3D3aGT7kLeKIbnZg4TvDPBxUoz195Nl4J > -252BkvETIT7u-252F50-253D-26amp-3Breserved-3D0&d=DwIGaQ&c=wn3mZQLIuInh > 2ClcJ0_DIA&r=XSIweKhAHHhyB-d63TCLaTQ55VHpbhIhFOxEPFjbNpg&m=zx0bFeqY6zh > w5iY7qw3gCbVCIz7a6UT7LKNsH0ZvAOo&s=4LLVrfsZJBFVEAy_W3G5FiFN5MyvpvRfOzB > n-XGZrK8&e= > < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook. > com/?url=http*3A*2F*2Fwww.jacobs.com*2F&data=02*7C01*7Crhinson*40b > urnsmcd.com*7C5ca87af7c38244f427b108d86ba08957*7Cbfbb9a2b6d994e78b3c79 > 5005d555c8b*7C0*7C1*7C637377684527248653&sdata=3aGT7kLeKIbnZg4TvDP > BxUoz195Nl4J*2BkvETIT7u*2F50*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl! > !B5cixuoO7ltTeg!S5UQwTrw04donSOyX3o9ixqH1mdPsCfHe5uqF5z98aKbUxsJIRs0sY > MvEVrYdZXNrg$ > > > 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > <mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of > John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 11:32 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto: > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Cc: John Denhardt <jdenha...@firesprinkler.org<mailto: > jdenha...@firesprinkler.org>> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Submittal Packages > > I have seen both. 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