A mezzanine is not a rack. Two different conditions, two different criteria. There is no correlation between the two conditions.
Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Fire Protection SME – Special Hazards | [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> | www.jacobs.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.jacobs.com/__;!!KZTdOCjhgt4hgw!-_khxU8gU0_6jc895I7kRbnU8JghRDsWgqOblZ4jr7Qp2IVbR30VYw_hWvNFtphnl0uWpB9KIvbYi1pvZz4$> 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 CONTACT BY: Phone 1-864-676-5252, Email or MS TEAMS From: Joe Burtell [MT-BILL] <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 11:48 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <[email protected]> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ESFR Below Mezzanine I don’t disagree with you, but I can’t help to think that we don’t apply this logic with in-racks. If I have aerosols, other flammable liquids, etc.. I threat that different than the overhead, different design, different sprinklers. [cid:[email protected]] Joe Burtell | SET, CFPS Fire Sprinkler Manager D C 406-204-4653<tel:406-204-4653> 406-861-4507<tel:406-861-4507> From: Prahl, Craig <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 9:37 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ESFR Below Mezzanine CAUTION: This email originated from outside the organization. Do not follow guidance, click links, or open attachments unless you KNOW the content is safe. A mezzanine or equipment platform as is common in industrial type settings as described is very much an obstruction to the discharge of overhead sprinklers and NFPA 13 is very clear on the type of sprinklers that should be used to protect the area below the obstruction. If the area beyond the mezzanine requires an ESFR system to provide adequate protection, the obvious assumption is that the space below the mezzanine which is part of the open area would share the same hazard and therefore require the same criteria in order to provide adequate protection. The only way it could be anything less is if the mezzanine had a solid floor and the space below was separated from the adjacent production space by walls where it became a separated room. Simple example of that condition is a modular office out in the middle of the production floor where the office could be LH while the surrounding areas could require a higher degree of protection. Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Fire Protection SME – Special Hazards | [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> | www.jacobs.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.jacobs.com/__;!!KZTdOCjhgt4hgw!-_khxU8gU0_6jc895I7kRbnU8JghRDsWgqOblZ4jr7Qp2IVbR30VYw_hWvNFtphnl0uWpB9KIvbYi1pvZz4$> 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 CONTACT BY: Phone 1-864-676-5252, Email or MS TEAMS From: Brett Peters <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 10:08 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Sprinklerforum] Re: ESFR Below Mezzanine Definition of a Mezzanine from National Building Code - Alberta Mezzanine means an intermediate floor assembly between the floor and ceiling of any room or storey and includes an interior balcony. I'm sure whatever building code you're using in your area will have the same definition of a mezzanine. So NOT an obstruction, it's a FLOOR ASSEMBLY, so you would protect the floor below the mezzanine according to whatever hazard is present below it. Thanks Brett Peters General Manager Installation & Design Proudline Fire Protection Services Ltd. 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They are building out some mezzanines in the middle of the warehouse that will have bottling equipment. The engineer is requiring that below the mezzanine have ESFR per NFPA 13 2019 9.5.5.3.3. I am questioning if the mezzanine is really treated like an obstruction? I think it would be treated like in-racks would and have its own design based on what’s under the mezzanine. [cid:[email protected]] Joe Burtell | SET, CFPS Fire Sprinkler Manager D C 406-204-4653<tel:406-204-4653> 406-861-4507<tel:406-861-4507> 3004 1st Ave South Billings , MT 59101 Office: 406‑652‑7697 www.summitfiresecurity.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.summitfiresecurity.com__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!E_vD-9mkbPTyDRs6S9u0P1tosHuAssuBGbYq9zlQMIWEZm-JFT1dggnA4PGYXyZcCsAJVBjjyT-IONoo5gQ$> This information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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