Hi Geoff.
No Aplogies necessary only pleased you tried to help in our little
discussion ( ie ) regards finish ;; Tony may well be right after all ;; my
interest came later when all the engineswere looked after just for
performance rather than appearance,
Just been trying to run my new engine with my Duchess tender but can get
a steady fuel flow / overflows one min / dry the next am now looking for
my thinking cap but my wife borrowed it and she cant find the darn thing
Thanks again Geoff.
Regards
Graham S.
----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Spenceley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Flying Scotsman
> Hallo Graham and Tony D.
>
> Blast it, my Steam Worlds only go back to the beginning of 2000 so I
don't
> have issue146 dated august1999 with the article you mention. --so sorry.
> My friend in England sent me Steam Days until the end of 99.
>
>
> My apologies.
>
> Geoff.
>
>
> Hi Geoff
> > Thanks for looking in your collection ;; never thought you would have
that
> >magazine in CA .
> > There are quite a few refurbished engines in this issue and is
interesting
> >to compare ( ie ) to what we are talking about.
> > To be honest im trying to make an excuse for not succeeding in getting
the
> >same finish on my engines as Aster .
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Graham S .
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Geoff Spenceley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:21 PM
> >Subject: Re: Flying Scotsman
> >
> >
> >> I may have the Aug 99 Steam World-I shall check my archives for Tony.
> >>
> >> Geoff.
> >>
> >> Hi Tony.
> >> > Thanks for you very interesting comments about pre nationalized
> >> >british railways ;;; sounds as if you lived in the UK for a
considerable
> >> >time ? .
> >> > I agree with your comments about cleaning surfaces for inspection
> >> >purposes / also / about tinplate toys;;wich is exactly what I was
talking
> >> >about with Aster locos in my view wich may not be everybodys view
they
> >look
> >> >to tinlatish to me .
> >> > No tony I do not remember pre nationalized rail I was talking
about
> >> >nationalized british rail ;; its a pity you can not get the Steam
world
> >> >magazine issue146 dated august1999 ;; on pages 8 & 9 it shows exactly
> >what I
> >> >am remembering and talking about ( a black five just out of the
fitting
> >shop
> >> >, a buitifull shiny black with a rough undersurface ) .
> >> > With regards to your comment about preserved locos in my opinion
> >again
> >> >its my opinion ;;they look wonderful and shows the pride of the
> >> >preservationists.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks again Tony nice to chat with you
> >> >
> >> > Regards.
> >> >
> >> > Graham S .
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: Anthony Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 4:36 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: Flying Scotsman
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Graham,
> >> >> To weather or not to weather, is that is the question!.
> >> >> On the contrary. The 1/1 Scale correctly repainted finishes
> >produced
> >> >> after overall rebuilds I have seen during the years, were
exceptionally
> >> >> smooth, together with a high "glossy" finish. Regardless of the
> >subject.
> >> >> I suggest any 1/1 Scale "overpainted surface roughness" seen,
was
> >a
> >> >> result of plating surface erosion not being ground out before gloss
> >> >> overpaint is added. i.e. a quick and cheap repaint job to disguise
> >> >> potential metal surface defects, protect a pre-rusting area, thin
> >plates,
> >> >> to hide potential problems, keep running at all costs theory and not
> >due
> >> >to
> >> >> "rough paint".
> >> >> When the various earlier rail companies in the UK, LMS,LNER,
GWR
> >and
> >> >> Southern were in direct competition for travellers, up to the late
30s
> >and
> >> >> 40s, they took great pride in the daily cleaning, inspection and
> >quarterly
> >> >> maintenance repainting programs. Surface grinding to bare metal was
a
> >> >> necessity to ensure true inspection of possible underlaying long
term
> >> >metal
> >> >> weathering problems. Or, the smooth metal surfaces were already new
> >> >> replacement plates. As a result, the repainted surfaces were also
very
> >> >smooth.
> >> >> During these times up to the late 1950s, a railway apprentice
had
> >to
> >> >> spend his initial 2 years specifically cleaning engines daily,
before
> >he
> >> >> was allowed into the paint, maintenance, fitting or machining shops,
> >and
> >> >> later into firing duties. So there was plenty of cheap labour around
to
> >> >> keep running engines cleaned/polished almost daily.
> >> >>
> >> >> However, most recently, many of the "Heritage Societies" seem
to
> >be
> >> >> going a little overboard in achieving a museum quality "glossiness"
on
> >> >> their total rebuilds. So maybe the theory still is that an
extremely
> >> >> glossy finish does attract more customers, is easier to keep clean,
> >easier
> >> >> to recognize potential underlaying plating problems, as per the
early
> >LMS,
> >> >> LNER days. But now gives an almost "toylike" tin plate finish.
> >> >> And we do not want our working scale model 1/32, 10mm or G1
Live
> >> >> Steamers to look like toy tin plate engines do we?.
> >> >> Alternatively a "orange peel" finish on a 1/32 scale live
steamer
> >> >> scaled up to 1/1 may give the ''very rough" full size finish you
saw.
> >i.e.
> >> >> scale erosion!.
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Tony D.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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