On Jul 1, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > I am not saying you *cannot* credit employers who support their staff > volunteering here.
Once again, you're denying the reality here. Olivier and I are not "volunteering" here. We are working on the project because *the company* has decided that it was a useful way to spend our time (and because we are contractually mandated to work on the project due to our contract with the EU). > I am saying that employers do not fund the project. YES WE DO. Stop denying the reality. This is not the country of the Care Bears. An stop playing on the words. Just because we don't give money to the ASF doesn't mean we don't fund the project. > Nobody funds an ASF project. As I wrote, we do. > One way of crediting employers without > having to create a whole raft of red tape is have a page on which > committers can optionally add their employers details (with nofollow > links) Yeah right. This is absolutely unacceptable for me. > . This means the moment you vote someone in their employer gets > credit. Another way (which is my preference) is you have a page > listing *users* of the product (with nofollow links). This means > everyone can submit a patch and have their employer listed. Come on. The EU is giving 6 MEUR to this project. Nuxeo is giving 50 KEUR. There is clearly a hierarchy. > (for clarity I not arguing for my company to be credited, it's not > important and I am here as a volunteer, I am merely providing an > example of how difficult these things can be) > >>> IKS is welcome to make donations to the ASF >> >> I'm not talking about donations to the ASF and you perfectly know that. > > I think Bertrand was making the point that even companies who donate > directly to the ASF do not *fund* Apache projects. Red herring. >> Nuxeo is funding part of the effort and out of that funding, expects to see >> some respect and some love. > > The ASF does not single out individual companies. If its not enough to > get a load of free volunteer time on the software they want to use > then they can do public speaking, they can publicly praise their > Apache committers. They can be *seen* to engage with the project both > here and at public events, like ApacheCon. I don't care about the ASF. I'm not even a member. > Recognition comes from action not money. the money stays outside the ASF. Action is funded by money. Who do you think pays my salary and Olivier's ? S. -- Stefane Fermigier, Founder and Chairman, Nuxeo Open Source, Java EE based, Enterprise Content Management (ECM) http://www.nuxeo.com/ - +33 1 40 33 79 87 - http://twitter.com/sfermigier Join the Nuxeo Group on LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/groups?gid=43314 New Nuxeo release: http://nuxeo.com/dm54 "There's no such thing as can't. You always have a choice."
