On Jul 1, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Stefane Fermigier <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Jul 1, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > >>> ... One way of crediting employers without >>> having to create a whole raft of red tape is have a page on which >>> committers can optionally add their employers details (with nofollow >>> links) >> >> Yeah right. This is absolutely unacceptable for me. > > The nofollow attribute you mean? I absolutely agree with Ross here, > and as an Incubator PMC member I will not allow links to companies on > the Stanbol website unless they have a nofollow attribute.
Is this a rule or just an arbitrary decision ? Why didn't you mention it when advocating moving the project to Apache ? > If you think this is wrong, please discuss it on [email protected]. No. I'm discussing it here. >>> . This means the moment you vote someone in their employer gets >>> credit. Another way (which is my preference) is you have a page >>> listing *users* of the product (with nofollow links). This means >>> everyone can submit a patch and have their employer listed. >> >> Come on. The EU is giving 6 MEUR to this project. Nuxeo is giving 50 KEUR. >> There is clearly a hierarchy. > > There might be a hierarchy in the IKS project but the ASF does not > care about it: I don't care that the ASF doesn't care, because this is the reality that you and Ross (hence, the ASF?) have been denying several times by claiming "projects are not funded by companies" when they clearly are. > the hierachy in Stanbol is ASF board -> Incubator PMC > -> Stanbol PPMC -> Stanbol committers. Nothing else. > >>> ...The ASF does not single out individual companies. If its not enough to >>> get a load of free volunteer time on the software they want to use >>> then they can do public speaking, they can publicly praise their >>> Apache committers. They can be *seen* to engage with the project both >>> here and at public events, like ApacheCon. >> >> I don't care about the ASF. I'm not even a member.... > > <almost-tongue-in-cheek-now> > If you don't care about the ASF feel free to leave Stanbol at any time. Yeah right. Except that we (Nuxeo) have a contract with the European Union until 2012 that prevents us to do so. So I won't, at least until the end of 2012 ;) > </almost-tongue-in-cheek-now> > > If you want Stanbol to graduate as an ASF project there are strict > rules and best practices in place, that aim to avoid undue company > interference with our projects, and fair credit to all involved. Another "newspeak" exercise from you: calling the fact that several companies (and other organizations) are pouring huge amounts of money into this project "interference". It's not interference. It's working on the project as contractually obligated by the EU, and expecting some results in return. And regarding credits, yes I expect everyone given credit, as long at there is no "nofollow" on the links to our respective websites. > If you don't like those rules, as I said the best place to start > discussing them is at [email protected]. As I said, no. I'm discussing this in the context of the Stanbol and IKS projects, not in an abstract way. S. -- Stefane Fermigier, Founder and Chairman, Nuxeo Open Source, Java EE based, Enterprise Content Management (ECM) http://www.nuxeo.com/ - +33 1 40 33 79 87 - http://twitter.com/sfermigier Join the Nuxeo Group on LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/groups?gid=43314 New Nuxeo release: http://nuxeo.com/dm54 "There's no such thing as can't. You always have a choice."
