I am also in favor of using stuff we have currently in RFCs and XEPs
instead of introducing
new extensions.
I appreciate the complexity of privacy lists and problems they cause
with interoperability
between different clients. I don't like however the approach that
instead of finding
agreement in some "standard" way for using privacy lists we find the
agreement in using
a new XEP instead.
Privacy lists are very generic and powerful and... complex. But this
is a good base we
could build simpler stuff on top of it.
In fact introducing new XEPs is kind of building solutions on top
on..... XML which is even more
generic and more powerful. This makes me thinking we should be able to
find common
ground on top of privacy lists too.
And I don't agree that privacy lists are too complex for the end user.
The end user doesn't
have to see it... ever. Privacy lists can be hidden behind simple
buttons: block/unblock
invisible/visible. And they allow us to do things which are not
possible with those 2 XEPs.
Like become invisible for a selected users only. You can be invisible
to other people while
you can still receive their status. And if we need privacy lists offer
us much more. And I am
sure we may soon need much more when spam will try to get into XMPP.
3 XEPs instead of one for the same things is also very bad for the
servers. As different clients
connect to the server and different client may want to use different
XEPs the server must
offer all of them. And this may impact server performance on busy
installations because
the packet filter must now check 3 blocking methods instead of 1 for
each user and for
each packet.
I didn't like the privacy lists at the beginning either but at least
that was a single way
for blocking all kinds of packets. If you think privacy lists are
broken or bad I am then
in favor for changing them to something better instead of adding
completely new stuff.
Artur
On 7 Oct 2008, at 22:35, Jonathan Schleifer wrote:
Many argue that privacy lists are too complex for invisibility or
blocking users. For example, the Pidgin developers. They complained
that they need to implement privacy lists completely in order to
achieve invisibility and blocking.
IMO, we could change the XEP to include some reserved names for
priacy lists like blocked or invisible, so that all clients can use
them together without any problems. Just setting & enabling a
privacy thing is easy, the problem is interferences with other
clients. This would be solved if we had some reserverd names for
privacy lists.
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Jonathan
Artur
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