> On Jun 18, 2015, at 8:45 AM, Dave Cridland <d...@cridland.net> wrote: > > > On 18 Jun 2015 15:40, "Curtis King" <ck...@mumbo.ca <mailto:ck...@mumbo.ca>> > wrote: > > > > > >> On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Dave Cridland <d...@cridland.net > >> <mailto:d...@cridland.net>> wrote: > >> > >> There's consensus, I would argue, given that it's extremely well supported > >> in servers, desktop and mobile clients. In fact, finding servers that > >> didn't support it a year ago is hard. > > > > > > Two servers and maybe 5 clients does not make for well supported in my book. > > Which two were you thinking of? > > Ejabberd has supported it for two years, Openfire for 18 months or so on > trunk, prosody for ages. I don't know about the others, but those three > account for a very high percentage of deployed domains, once one excludes > Google, who don't implement anything anyway. > >
Ok three servers if count a 3rd party plugin for Prosody. > > But, how well an extension is supported doesn’t give it special rights to > > skip the standardization process. > > > > Supported isn't the same as deployed, and I'm not arguing high deployment > skips the standards process. However, it does offer evidence that it works, > and is desirable, and high deployment does suggest high consensus. > > You keep making general statements with out any supporting facts. From where I sit, I see zero deployment. I can’t find a single iOS XMPP client which supports 280, Trillian has rolled their own solution, all I can find is a few Android clients, some web frameworks, and after 30 minutes of looking zero desktop clients. Far from an exhaustive survey but from your statements I figured it would be easy to find clients which support 280. > Arguing against it on the basis that an unwritten perfect protocol would be > better is a much weaker argument. > > I did no such thing. I will rephrase. Is XEP-0280 a complete solution to it’s stated problem? I say no because it does not support the offline case. Should a XEP with an incomplete solution be included in the Compliance Suites? If yes, at what level? Should a XEP be able to be added to the Core level by-passing the Advanced level? ck
