> -----Original Message-----
> From: Standards [mailto:standards-boun...@xmpp.org] On Behalf Of
> Daurnimator
> Sent: 23 March 2017 03:15
> To: XMPP Standards
> Subject: Re: [Standards] Join and Create
> 
> On 23 March 2017 at 01:40, Florian Schmaus <f...@geekplace.eu> wrote:
> > On 22.03.2017 12:53, Steve Kille wrote:
> >> I think that keeping Create and Join separate is the right thing.
> >
> > They can and should be separate, but I think there needs to be a third
> > operation "join-and-maybe-create". Otherwise the protocol is
> > incomplete and broken.
> >
> >> I feel that we have enough complexity with the modular operations,
> >> without creating compound operations that will have whole new classes
> >> of error to consider
> >
> > How about making this an optional feature in an add-on XEP?
> 
> Couldn't this be a create followed by a join?
> If the channel already exists, then the create would return an error
(which
> you can ignore).
[Steve Kille] 

That feels sensible to me.

I am not really seeing the benefit of adding a new operation


Steve




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