Agreed. Part of this "kinder, gentler" approach being developed by the "Apache Marketing Committee" means that we now all understand each other now. What a brave new world.
Anyway, enough filling up mailboxes with my OT posts. Ben On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 13:42, Phase Web and Multimedia wrote: > It's a trade-off. Many of the great plugins and such that are supplied with > a well developed (cross-platform) ide are far better in my book for > development at large. I only resort to emacs/vi/pico when i am editing files > on a server remotely. But, I am in control of all the code I write and I'm > not writing any perl or c/c++. Straight JAVA is what I write. So emacs is > not that efficient to me. > > P.S. Eclipse is a great ide and has a format method that cleans up messy > java code quite nice. But, it lack great search and replace features that > emacs does have. > > Brandon Goodin > Phase Web and Multimedia > P (406) 862-2245 > F (406) 862-0354 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.phase.ws > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Benjamin Tomasini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:15 AM > > To: Struts Developers List > > Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Why are people are up on Struts > > > > > > Normally a reader only in this list, but here are 2 cents... > > > > With a basic knowledge of Emacs, Ant, and Perl you can conquer the world > > faster than with any IDE I know of. And conquer it from pretty much any > > shell - bash, X, even Windows! > > > > Plus, Emacs is great for cleaning up messy code. Its indent feature in > > java-mode (cc-mode) is quite handy. > > > > On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 14:00, Eddie Bush wrote: > > > I can live with vi if it's forced upon me, but I much prefer Emacs. > > > 'Course nowadays, assuming you're using an x terminal (or are on > > > windows) both of them are fairly easily used through their toolbars ... > > > at least, I think vim has one now (or can perhaps - nearly certain). I > > > suppose that's for the "mortals" among us ;-O I just go for > > the "arcane > > > key sequences" personally - so much more efficient. One nifty thing I > > > really like about Emacs is that, sometimes I can remember the command > > > name but not it's key sequence - and it tells you what the sequence is > > > once you invoke it the "long" way. So, I can keep important shortcuts > > > in my head, and, when I run across a situation that requires me to use > > > something that I don't recall the shortcut for, I can invoke it > > manually > > > and get a referesher on what the sequence is to invoke it. I really > > > like that feature :-) It works great so long as you can remember the > > > "command name" or ... at least have an idea (as it has completion > > > assistance for commands too). > > > > > > David Graham wrote: > > > > > > > I like vi now that I know how to use it but why couldn't they put > > > > common commands at the bottom of the screen for us mortals? > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Eddie Bush > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>