Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
Presuming a positive vote from the committers, we'd have to make a formal
proposal to the ASF Board (like the Ant, Maven, ... communities did, so we can
use their proposals as a sample) and get it accepted.  Included in the proposal
would be things like who the PMC members would be, and who we'd suggest as the
PMC chairperson (because this person becomes an ASF officer, it has to be
appointed by the board).

The largest issue around preparing the proposal is likely to be a definition of
what the scope of the project will be.

We could dodge the bullet and just follow Cocoon precedent: define the scope of Apache Struts to be Apache Struts :)


http://apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2003/board_minutes_2003_01_22.txt

Otherwise, any language we come up with is sure to overlap with other Apache offerings, and we end up having to create some type of frameworks project, along the lines of the Database or Web Services projects.

http://apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2002/board_minutes_2002_07_17.txt

http://apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2003/board_minutes_2003_01_22.txt

If we did decide to do something, I'm not opposed to either course.

The former would be less work, but the latter might have greater long term benefits. In the latter case, I suppose we'd ask Tapestry and Turbine if they wanted to join us as frameworks.apache.org (or whatever).

I looked over the Board status reports for db and webservices, but it's hard to tell whether these new umbrellas are working any better than Jakarta. If anyone is involved with the communities, and has something to share, please do.

On balance, I would lean toward the position that the Struts community is large and robust enough to justify its own TLP, and see if the Board agrees.

One thing I would like to bring up in the context of a TLP Struts is the idea of also hosting a php implementation of Struts. Several people have been trying to do this (google struts php). Since php is also an Apache product, it would be a natural thing for a top-level ASF Struts project do to. A framework similar to Struts, Maverick, already has a php implementation, which proves it can be done.

Of course, there is also the matter of JSR 223 <http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=223>.

There is *alot* of interest in using MVC in php-land, and a Struts implementation could help coalesce that interest into a stable community.

-Ted.



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