> --- Joe Germuska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  > Whether the "classic" and "el" taglibs are one chunk or two isn't
> > >>  hugely important to me either -- I would prefer that this decision
> > be
> > >>  made by developers who've done more work on that code to date.
> > >>  However, I did find that when I patched
> > >>  o.a.s.t.html.JavascriptValidator, I had to go and make a
> > >>  corresponding change in the EL version.  I suspect that changes in
> > >>  those two libraries are going to track pretty tightly.  But like I
> > >>  said, I'm not pushing for this; just floating it...
> > >
> > >Is there any reason that the EL tags wouldn't replace the existing tags
> > >for Struts 2.0?  Also, IMO, many of the tags can be removed entirely
> > for
> > >2.0 because they've been replaced by more powerful counterparts in the
> > >JSTL.
> > 
> > As I've been saying (a lot, it seems, lately) on struts-user, I think 
> > there are legitimate Struts JSP tags like "html:messages" that are 
> > not best replaced by JSTL.  Any time Struts tools put resources in 
> > special locations in request or session scope, I think it's nice to 
> > have tags which know the special locations, instead of expecting 
> > people to dig in and find them.  And, for example with html:messages, 
> > the message-property filtering is a useful feature that would require 
> > a lot of verbose JSTL to achieve the same goal.
> > 
> > So, I'd suspect even in 2.0 there will be arguments for a small 
> > Struts taglib.  But I am 100% on board with pushing people to use the 
> > JSTL where it is really equivalent.
> 
> Yep, notice I mentioned removing "many" tags and not *all* tags :-). 
> There are certainly tags we should keep around but I just don't see 
> a need for most of the logic and bean tags in Struts 2.0.


Widely known is that the Struts tags sit under the nested tags. And that JSTL
and EL cannot fill the shoes of the nested tags. If Struts doesn't want to
support the taglibs, then thats a separate issue. But for the nested tags to
do what they do, they need the Struts tags including all the logic tags. I
don't think that we'd drop all the tags, but as for letting "some" go that
aren't in JSTL et al... -1


Btw: I've thought long and hard about how to get the nested concept into JSTL
(to remove the dependancy on Struts), but it's just not a fit. The nested tags
manage things as much for the trip back to the Struts servlet as much as
making the viewing layout code easier. Nested tags live on Struts.


I've watched these conversations, but just don't have the time for all the
backround study it'd take to make worthy comment. But for the tags, things
haven't changed. So, apologies for just piping in on familiar topics. I
probably needed a pair of them fantastic gloves already mentioned...


Cheers,

Arron.


> 
> David
> 
> > 
> > Joe

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