> This is exactly what happens as the JCP standardizes things, like > with JSTL and JSF. But diversity is good to bring out the qualities > of competing implementations until there is a clear winner. So > perhaps we will see more functionality of the frameworks > standardized in the future. But I am not knowledgeable enough to say > what is ready to be standardized and what is not. Craig is probably > best to speak to this.
After doing a little bit of brainstorming of how in the world web frameworks could be standardized, I came up with this idea. What do Craig and other think of think of this: JCP could propose a JSR to standardize the API contracts between Controller<->View and Controller<->Model to provide a common base for MVC-based Java web application frameworks. Then the already existing frameworks such as Struts, SunONE, Expresso, WebWork, etc. could implement these API contracts in order to enable developers to write "application modules" that are portable accross MVC-based web application frameworks. For instance, someone could write a shopping cart application module or an RSS application module and everybody else could integrate it into their webapps based on other frameworks with little or no modification. Does this make sense to you or is this a futile imagination of mine? Peace, Mete ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Derek Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:50:16 -0500 >This is exactly what happens as the JCP standardizes things, like with JSTL and JSF. >But diversity is good to bring out the qualities of competing implementations until >there is a clear winner. So perhaps we will see more functionality of the frameworks >standardized in the future. But I am not knowledgeable enough to say what is ready to >be standardized and what is not. Craig is probably best to speak to this. > >Derek Richardson > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mete Kural [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:29 AM >> To: Struts Users Mailing List >> Subject: Re: Is Sun promoting Struts?? >> >> >> > SunONE Application Framework is a fine tool -- indeed, it aspires to >> > provide additional functionality beyond what Struts supports >> >(especially in the area of interfaces to model objects, and complex >> > UI components), which make it quite suitable for building complex >> > web-based applications. >> >> I think that it may be the best for everybody if there was a >> common "base" web application framework that any company or >> project could build upon to develop their own extensions. >> Just like it is for IDE platforms like NetBeans "Platform" >> and Eclipse "Platform", there could be a base platform that >> everybody would rely on, and build on top of to develop their >> own commercial products (SunONE Studio, WSAD, etc.) or open >> source projects (NetBeans "IDE", Eclipse "IDE", etc.) Do you >> think that such a scheme would work for application >> frameworks just like it does for IDEs? >> >> Using this paradigm, it is possible to imagine a base >> framework somthing like Struts Platform or whatever it may be >> while everybody would have their extended frameworks based >> upon. Sun could have its own extended framework and IBM could >> have its own extended framework, and so on. >> >> I wonder what everybody's opinion on this matter is. >> >> -Mete >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:19:23 -0800 (PST) >> >> > >> > >> >On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, David Graham wrote: >> > >> >> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 12:06:12 -0700 >> >> From: David Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Subject: Re: Is Sun promoting Struts?? >> >> >> >> java.sun.com promotes useful Java tools but that doesn't >> mean it's the >> >> official Sun position. Craig works for Sun though so >> there is a connection. >> >> >> > >> >It is also true that Struts lives up to the "Best Practices" design >> >patterns that are also linked from the same page (as do many other >> >technologies and products that java.sun.com will link to from time to >> >time). >> > >> >SunONE Application Framework is a fine tool -- indeed, it aspires to >> >provide additional functionality beyond what Struts supports >> (especially >> >in the area of interfaces to model objects, and complex UI >> components), >> >which make it quite suitable for building complex web-based >> applications. >> > >> >That being said, lots of Sun customers like and use Struts >> as well, and >> >Struts encourages good J2EE development practices; so of >> course Sun will >> >look at it in a positive light. But my work on Struts is on >> my own time. >> > >> >> David >> > >> >Craig >> > >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
